Heart To Heart

Have I gone to far?

paulinsd — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:16:17 GMT

I don't believe I have, actually, but feel you folk are the most "enlightened" of the "Christians" out there in cyberspace to ask and engage with. I've been reading Peter Dziubans' CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL and Rupert Spiras' THE TRANSPARENCY OF THINGS. The contention is ...All there is is God, end of story. He shows up as "you and me" (form, appearance, what we see) shows up as thought (what we percieve) and Is the Background of it all. He's supposedly taken some time to forget who He Is and experience life as you and me. And now I AM in the process of awakening from the idea that I'm simply a human headed for death. He is the water and the waves upon the water. Anyway, now I'm writing stuff like..

I was, you were, before a cell mass from your "father" and "mother" came together and became a single cell mass. The cell mass grew and finally came into the outer world. The eternal you, that was before all this, was then, and is now, present. That eternal you is. That which is will be, as I, you, "age." In time I, you, will return from whence you came.

So, I AM, YOU ARE, an Everlasting Being. In Him we live and move and have "our" Being. Lets choose, in each now, to Be whats possible as Eternal Beings. Lets get clear that we are not cell masses named Paul and Jane with all the attendant thoughts and sensations and perceptions. And if we are not cell masses with names, with random thoughts and experiences...who are we? Who are you?

Interested in any feedback.

boomeritis and spirituality

Ronflyer — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:01:51 GMT

Here is a provocative kick in the pants..... by Elizabeth Debold...... a parade route brat daring to expose 'emperor babyboomer'?

"Seeking salvation in the mirror of our minds is a boomeritis trick that allows us to not change while being endlessly involved in thinking about change as if it were the real thing. The intensely subjective self, which gives ultimate priority and authority to our thoughts and feeling states, leads to a corruption of the entire aim of spiritual life. The purpose of spiritual life, the reason to seek, is reduced to wanting to feel better. In a word: bliss. In two words: no stress. "

Why Do People Say....

Mayheart — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 22:58:46 GMT

that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?

Thoughts?

The Laughter of God...

RonSigler — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 04:19:31 GMT

God has made me to laugh, so that all who hear will laugh with me

Deep in my soul I heard the laughter of God, ringing in silvery cadences through the timbers of my being, breaking the human bonds and limitations as a strong, yet gentle wind in the forest sweeps aside the strands of a cobweb. The hard fast knots that I had tied slipped loose, and the snarls of beliefs broke free. The river of my human life frozen by a thousand and one false ideas and teachings broke joyously into expression and went bounding to the infinite sea of life to be lost and found at the same time.

One dark cave of fear after another was illuminated by the light of this laughter and swampy areas of sick thoughts were dried up instantly. Parched sands of hopelessness and futile efforts were drenched by the living waters, sucked in-absorbed instantly like a wave breaking on the sands. God laughing at me, and my puny efforts to make things happen; to make heaven appear; to attain the Sonship. Not the laugh of derision, but of infinite compassion, laughter so deep and sweet, so pure and glorious that everything in the nature of struggle gave way before it.

And the breath of that glorious laughter blew all the dirty rags of personal teaching and self- aggrandizement away from me, and at first the fierce joy that proceeded from the unheard-heard peals of laughter made me afraidafraid that everything worth while was being taken from me, and that I should be naked; but no sooner had the filthy rags of personality blown free then I was clothed in a panoply of light, and in this glorious raiment of light I saw for the first time the glory of the spirit made flesh.

I stood before the infinite peals of laughter, which flowed through all creation like floods of golden mist, filled with speechless wonder at the beauty of the world I had lived inwhich had been invisible because of my separation, because of my personal ideas about attainment. I was a child with a small measure at the seaside, trying to carry off a little water when the whole sea was at my disposal, and I understood for the first time the exhaustless sea of substance about me, and that the idea of hoarding was but a childish fear grown into a Goliatn by false teaching and beliefs.

I suddenly became aware that the substance was everywhere, in everything, out of everything, and the only place of lack was in the hypnotic state of belief and I alone created and moved in this vacuum. And the glorious laughter rolled on, searching the very joints and marrow of medislodging every belief in fear, sickness, or age. And as it swept over me and through me, and round about me, I was amazed with the wonder of it the fierce terrible thing which was at the same time so beautiful and free. The wonder of it keep singing through my soul as veil after veil of belief was rent asunder and new kingdoms stood revealed.

And the whole thing was as if one just saw a little deeper, as one looks through the surface reflection on a river and sees the pebbles and shells below, that was all; only the laughter made this possible, for it cleared away all the effort and straining which in its attempt to see God had been halted at the reflection on the surface, instead of gazing into the limpid, glorious depth of infinity.

The voice as its honeyed tones flowed out like a burst of sunshine through storm-clouds, was so unlabored, so untrammeled, and so divinely indifferent, seemed to envelop me with an instant realization that all was well. No matter how many struggles had been made, no matter how many mistakes, how many shortcomings, how many failures, how long the belief, or how short the hate, it was all swept aside as nothing.

The glorious Divine ease with which it was expressed made dis-ease impossible. It was the overturning an overturning that had to take place before he, the laughing one could come into expression. The people of God are a people of joy, and it is not until they hear this God laughter in their souls that they have attained their heritage. What of this race that speaks of the kingdom and doing the Fathers work, and uses all the language of the truth, and at the same time sows seeds of fear and hellish inventions?

What is this race that is always seeking evil to destroy, like a weasel seeks out a rat? What is the hopelessness they preach that on the one hand, you are the Sons of God, and on the other, that you must fight against evil of every sort and nature? Ah, yes, but, if, and maybe they roll these stumbling-blocks under their tongues with a wise twinkle in their eyes, as much as to say, Yes, it is all true, but it comes only with hard labor and long study, and it is not for such as you, sinner and worm of the dust that you are, until you have purified yourself in the fount of my wisdom and paid me personal homage.

And it is then that the Magdalene hears the laughter of God and is clean and free; and in an instant too; and it is when the cripple hears the laughter of God that he leaps to his feet and runs away praising the living God. And it is when you, no matter where you are, or what you are, no matter what you have done or left undone, hear the laughter of God within and the God without, that you will crash through the gates of hell and find heaven, no matter what these gates may be person, place, or thing.

One moments recognition that you are the Son of the living God, and you have attuned your ear for the laughter of God which will put to flight all the stupid ideas of mine and thine, and free you into an expression that you have not yet dreamed of. How can you restrain the joy that fills you when you hear this laughter which when it is heard, causes the winter of your discontent to break into full fruition, which causes you to see that before they call I will answer. Is not a bit of euphonious language, but a positive living, glowing fact. I was afraid and therefore you were driven out of the Garden of Life.

You have been afraid that God would punish youthat it is too good 6to be true that you are not readythat it comes by great learning; and so you are still without the portals of your own kingdom, trying every way but the only way to re-enter. Many there be who try to ride in on the skirts of another. There are some so foolish as to invite this.

Why do you not stop trying to get things, trying to learn how to get power, place? Why do you not come away from the man whose breath is in his nostrils?... you who read this, and go within and hear the laughter of God, and know that it does not matter that the things which gave you great concern are all swept away into the dump heap.

The sooner you learn this the sooner you will see they have no value. And one time, when you take away their value, they are possible of attainment to you profess to be a follower of the Master. If you in any way believe this, you will begin to listen for the Laughter of God through your whole being, and will know that the Laughter of God sets you free from the snarling discontent of the Tower of Babel in which you have been living.

Presently, as you listen for this Laughter, you will hear it, and gradually you will begin laughing billows of laughter, silently-audible laughter that will shatter one limitation after another; Laughter filled with the divine Indifference which knows that the Universe is filled with God and only God, and to recognize this will cause this laughter to flow into expression and shatter the belief in sin, sickness, and death.

And when this belief is shattered in you, you will know why there can be naught but laughter in the kingdom of heaven. What good of words or arguments? What in human sense is a lecture worth on the subject of laughter, as compared to one glorious sudden peal of joy released by a God soul and picked up by all those in hearing distance?

And gradually as you learn of the Laughter of God and join in with the glory of the sons of the living God, then you will laugh at yourself. You will perhaps go back and laugh all the mistakes and faults and limitations out of existence. You will stand with your glorious feet on the mountain-tops of Self-Revelation laughing at your universe and with your universe, and laughing in words it is wonderful, it is wonderful, it is wonderful.

Let the filthy be filthy still some may read into the laughter of God a belief in carelessness and indifference, and some consecrated souls may rail tear their hair and say that it is encouraging license and making nothing of sin, in order that one may indulge in sin and so on and for them this message is not. He that hath ears shall hear what the scripture saith unto the churches, and only he that hath a single eye is through with trying to twist meanings to suit personal ends.

From The Laughter of God

By Walter Lanyon

THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS

Dougmac — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:01 GMT

Dont you know that you have the power to forgive sins...
Does one realize that as long as he sees a World that needs saved he does not see himself as saved and keeps Christ in bondage.. Forgive yourself the sins you think you perceive in others.. It starts in you first to know salvation in its fullest so you can offer it to the World and set Christ free..
Thats the only way he can be seen in the Earth so it can be on Earth as it is in Heaven within you and offered to a forgiven World.. All the World is forgiven through your eyes today as you now see with the sight of Christ..We are the means God has appointed for the salvation of the World..
Lets all move towards the final judgment of peace through forgiveness and release all guilt so the Son can be seen in all the Earth.. We are the saviors..

A MAD CHATTER'S pipedream?

Ronflyer — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:51 GMT

I trust ...even in our 'chatter' here.... we are most thankful that our lives are given back to us...that our lips convey the true-ing poetry of God... we speak with "the tongues of those who are taught"

That this poetry released in us... faithful stewards in ABBA's household/HEARThold... of faith prophetically releases invitation.... imagination...interpretation.... bearing the fruit of glad obedience to ABBA Who resolves and heals...transfigures the residues of all former aches.... delivering us into fidelity and assurance.... all yokes of bondage struck off.... no more rage and alienation... just sweet obedience engendering the exponential excellencies of NEW LIFE.

So, here we are in the crisis/crucible of human personhood.... how are we to be overcomers in the immediacy of the mundane daily concourse without ivory towering ourselves in abstract escapism or cloistering ourselves in host of condoms promising non-contagion?

Let alone begin to imagine the shimmering promise of NEW EARTH/NEW HEAVEN people prophetically and palpably being the timely poems/poets of Isaiah 50 proclaiming the PROMISED LAND of redeemed human personhood, human prospect, and human possibility?

Just maybe we are easily conned out of inheritances of redemption here and now...talked out of the whole enchilada of earthly existence...God and man sat down at table together even in this unlikely, unseemly, uncomely WILDerness terrible terrarium... talked out of Self/self .... robbed of power, courage, energy...freedom.

Does faith require us to emasculate/destroy selfhood...human personhood? What about the redeemed/restored FAITHFUL SELF mustard-seed-leveraging mountains of unbelief? Or are so easily reduced into some ideological religious realm of selective sterility?

Water into wine.....wine of DELIVERANCE..... GOOD NEWS providing us the Divinely-novel FREEVOLUTION of knowing the AMAZING GRACE of self freshly offered and freshly received....

This is WITNESSing WONDERFUL LOVE of GOD.... knowing the reality of being loved and reloved infinitely/unconditionally... treasured as the PROMISED LAND.... trusted ...called for ...and gifted with the VERY ORGANS OF CHRIST LIFE.... freed for Divine/human life.

I truly believe in transformed humanness.... and see no point in trying to wish it away....disparage any dream that it is in irrevocable development/manifestation.... the alternative is just a pointless prolongation in exile... malnourished by the chirps and mutterings of UNimaginative flatlining hacks of defeat.... trying to persude others that it is our duty and responsibility to remain alienated...weary...isolated, and dysfunctional in dystopia.

"Persons in such circumstances of diminishment, where the sounds of possibility are silenced, have little will or zeal for the vocation of God's trusted creatures."

Refusing to have my mellow harshed........shalom,Ron

IDOLS

Dougmac — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:47:01 GMT

Idols are quite specific.. But your will which is Gods will is universal, being limitless. And so it has no form, nor is it content for its expression in terms of form. Idols are limits; they are the belief that there are forms which will bring happiness, and that by limiting, all can be attained. Its as if you said, " I have no need of everything. This little thing of a human life I want, and I will make it everything to me".

It is not form you seek. What idol/form can be a substitute for God the Fathers Love? What form could take the place of all the Love in the Divinity of God the Son? What idol can make two and separate of what is one? And can the limitless be limited? You do not want an idol. It is not your will to have one. It will not bestow on you the gift you seek. When you decide upon the form of what you want, you lose the understanding of its purpose. So you see your will within the idol, thus reducing it to a specific form. But this could never be your will, because what shares in all creation cannot be content with small ideas and little things.

Behind the search for every idol lies the yearning for completion. Wholeness has no form because it is unlimited. To seek a special person or to see yourself as special as form or to seek a thing to add to you to make yourself complete, can only mean that you believe that some form is missing. And, by finding this you will achieve completion in a form you like. This is the purpose of an idol; THAT YOU WILL NOT LOOK BEYOND IT, to the source of your belief that you are incomplete. Only if you had sinned could this be so. For sin is the idea you are alone, separated and apart from what is whole. And thus it would be necessary for the search for wholeness to be made beyond the boundaries of limits that we have placed upon ourselves..

It is never the idol that you want but what you THINK it offers you thats what you want indeed..

Beyond all idols. ACIM..

He that believes on/as the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believes not God hath made him a liar; (Only God/Spirit is life all else is a lie) because he believes not the record that God gave his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son (Christ as identity) hath life/eternity; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (If you dont believe as Jesus does you dont have eternal life)

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name (Authority/identity) of the Son of God; that YOU MAY KNOW that you have/are eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. (As your own)
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. (not the will of man) And if we know that he hears us, (only when we are identified as the Son) whatsoever we ask we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. (And him only)

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask , and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: (To reject God as your life and identity) I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness (The human agenda) is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (To know that you are saved but not just yet born again) We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that the wicked one touches him not. ( This comes with ease because his mind only sees itself as Gods and thats all that is needed. The fallen nature of being human identified cant touch the one who has the mind of Christ the Son as its nature and character ) And we KNOW that we are of GOD, and the WHOLE WORLD LIES IN WICKEDNESS. (Not just part)
And we know that the Son of God is come, (Within) and he hath GIVEN US AN UNDERSTANDING, that we may know him that is true, and we are in/as him that is true, even in/as his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, (And his purpose for us) and eternal life. (As an understanding for your identity) LITTLE CHILDREN KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS. Amen. (The whole World is an idol) 1John 10-21 Love to all its all there is..

does

Ronflyer — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:56:19 GMT

the efficacy of any spiritual approach rely on ultimately relinquishing the desire to define or describe?

Some suggest that those on this path surrender any need to say exactly what the source of the spiritual experience is, and what it might demand...... I find this to be too needlessly nebulous in some profound way, yet also acknowledge the all too many finite fragments of mark-missing in the religious maze of confusion!

According to this way, in order to engage the spiritual source with the most intense intimacy, at the moment of union the mystic suspends all beliefs and disbeliefs.....

Taking an empty mind and an open heart, he/she steps over the mystical threshold and crosses into the realm of the unimaginable.....

Yes..... this is the lot of liberation via crucis..... being elijahs chased into the desolation zone..... raven-fed strange cake..... unfixated from jezebel-jive-junk..... reattuned to still small whispers of wonderment so easily lost in the ADULTeration of childlike honesty... the weaning from onerous opulences of spectacle-soulishness.... the mighty wind...fire...earthquake... designated defaults of biased expectation no longer mustard seed us into sur-RENDER-ing death and the ever available resurrection thrust of GRACE....

Some majestic magic intuitive way we DO KNOW OUR REDEEMER's PRESENCE/LOVE..... even despite having so very much mystery 'ass-backwards' and leading us off into tangential targetscapes of minor value....

Yet even in such nebulousness..... we know/possess THE holfastable 'scarlet thread'..... silver redemptively refined seven times seven.....THE REFINER lovingly looking DEEP into our depths and un-DROSS-ing us into intimacy....fruitfulness...ecstasy.

Love,Ron

God's One Liners

BarbMtnWolf — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:05:54 GMT

God *In-Spired* these recently

All of You are Just FigMen-ts of my Image-in-nation

Get it? Fig MEN, Adam and Eve wore fig leaves when they became ashamed of their disobedience, then afterwards God clothed them in animal *skins* ...

From the animal beastly nature...first the "natural" being...the animal nature rules some....that is what overcomers overcome....then comes the movement advancing into "spiritual". What else would you be saved/delivered from, if not the animal kingdom....to be able to become jointheirs and become Sons of God....for it's not the flesh that profits....flesh and blood don't inherit the divine spirit kingdom....needing no natural light...for the LIGHT is in ALL MEN....the Kingdom of Heaven is found WITHIN....coming from seed into FRUITION! Father being the Husband(to)Man who brings seeds to fruition by giving the increase!

So the story goes....Devil/Satan/Lucifer/Bringer of Light proclaimed himself that he would be mightier than Me and would sit above Me, he pokes and prods and disturbs and antagonizes and basically advocates on MY behalf as the Prosecuting Attorney in the Divine Court....He's my Child/Creation too! The babe in the Womb not yet seen clearly/fully, but in part/darkly... can be observed poking its little hand in an impression through the Skin....the whole world groaned and travailed, awaiting the birth, unto us a child is born, that would be ALL of us, not just some....ALL get to see My Glory E~Merging!!!!   ALL live, move and have their being in me.

Oh and proclaiming yourself to be God is nothing new, everybody has that thought, I originated it, you're just chips off the old block, sparks from the Eternal Bon-Fire of Spirit...settling the World ablaze...Fire PURIFIES!!!

There's nothing you can think of, that I didn't provide for, first! And if you want to proclaim yourself as the origin of yourself, go right ahead, it doesn't change the fact that I PRO-CLAIM you as my own!

I made you fear-fully and wonder-fully, some tipping more one way than the other.

I like to see the stories you invent, gives me some good ideas for future Uni-Verses I plan to create...with you...once you are Mature Perfected Creators. Which is what this earth school is for, I don't want you driving the car yet, so I've been in the passenger seat with controls I use when you get too far off course. Some have surrendered the controls over to me and ironically by giving up their life controls, they receive more abundant life.

When the Many realize there is only One, they will lose their minds. Which is kinda-sorta the Plan, but billions of heads ARE better than one, Ulti-Mate-ly...it ALL comes back to the Origin-All One!

I'm almost done with fear, I will be casting out fear pretty soon.

I will keep My Promise to wipe away every tear, because I have great compassion for Myself...for all the ones I am being...that are suffering.

I will not contend with man forever.

Some of my souls prefer darkness over light. I have compassion for the widows and the childless.

Choose Me...Choose Spirit with your Soul...I offer you My Hand in Marriage!   Receive My Spirit....Receive Life...it will be All RIGHT....sheep on the right...goats to the left please....if you want to continue being self-will-full that's fine, you can go your own way, you will just be MADE to repeat the class rather than graduate, there's a place being prepared for you, too. My sheep are those who HEAR my VOICE.  I'm talking to everybody...just not everybody's listening.

Got your Ears on Good Buddy?

To Gather Together As One . Family

goodnewsinc — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:04:37 GMT

To Gather Together As One . Family

The following excerpt is taken from the Acts of John, New Testament Apocrypha by Hennecke- Schneemelcher, Vol. II, Westminster Press.

99. This Cross then (is that) which has united all things by the word and which has separated off what is transitory and inferior, which has also *compacted* all things into one. But this is not that wooden Cross which you shall see when you go down from here; nor am I the (man) who is on the Cross, (I) whom now you do not see but only hear (my) voice. I was taken to be what I am not, I who am not what for many others I was; but what they will say of me is mean and unworthy of me. Since then the place of (my?) rest is neither (to be) seen nor told, much more shall I, the Lord of this (place), be neither seen nor told.

100. The multitude around the Cross that is not of one form is the inferior nature. And those whom you saw in the Cross, even if they have not (yet) one form -not every member of him who has come down has yet been gathered together. But when *human* nature is taken up, and the race that comes to me and obeys my voice, then *he who* now *hears* me shall be united *with this* (race) and shall no longer be what he now is, but (shall be) above them as I am now. For so long as you do not call yourself mine, I am not what I am; but if you hear me, you also as hearer *shall be* as I am, and I shall be what I was, when you* (are) as I am with myself; for from *me* you are what I am.(?) Therefore ignore the many and despise those who are outside the mystery; for you must know that I am wholly with the Father, and the Father with me.

John 17:21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 2:6. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7. Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Isaiah 45:9. Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10. Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11. Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12. I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13. I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the Lord of hosts.

Psalm 2:6. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. 8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Psalm 87:5. And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. 6. The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. 7. As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

Matthew 23: 9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Psalm 82:6. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30. I and my Father are one.

ODE of Solomon 10:1 The Lord hath directed my mouth by His word: and He hath opened my heart by His light: and He hath caused to dwell in me His deathless life; 2 And gave me that I might speak the fruit peace: 3 To convert the souls of them who are willing to come to Him; and to lead captive a good captivity for freedom. 4 I was strengthened and made mighty and took the world captive; 5 And it became to me for the praise of the Most High, and of God my Father. 6 And the Gentiles were gathered together who were scattered abroad. 7 And I was unpolluted by my love for them, because they confessed me in high places: and the traces of the light were set upon their heart: 8 And they walked in my life and were saved and be came my people for ever and ever. Hallelujah.

Isaiah 66:18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

Amos 4:12. Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. 13. For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, the Lord, The God of hosts, is his name.

Ezekiel 36:23. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Isaiah 60:3. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6. The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord. 7. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. 8. Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows? 9. Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. 10. And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. 11. Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.

Isaiah 2:2. And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 46:3. Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 4. And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.

Secrets of Enoch 65:6 When all creation visible and invisible, as the Lord created it, shall end, then every man goes 7 to the great judgement, and then all time shall perish, and the years, and thence forward there will be neither months nor days nor hours, they will be stuck together and will not be counted. 8 There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the Lord's great judgement, shall be collected in the great aeon, for the righteous the great aeon will begin, and they will 9 live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness, nor humiliation, nor anxiety, nor need, nor violence, nor night, nor darkness, but great light. 10 And they shall have a great indestructible wall, and a paradise bright and incorruptible, for all corruptible things shall pass away, and there will be eternal life.

Isaiah 25:6. And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7. And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Book of Enoch 61:1 And I saw in those days how long cords were given to those angels, and they took to themselves wings and flew, and they went towards the north. 2 And I asked the angel, saying unto him: 'Why have those (angels) taken these cords and gone off?' And he said unto me: 'They have gone to measure.' 3 And the angel who went with me said unto me: 'These shall bring the measures of the righteous, And the ropes of the righteous to the righteous, That they may stay themselves on the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever. 4 The elect shall begin to dwell with the elect, And those are the measures which shall be given to faith And which shall strengthen righteousness. 5 And these measures shall reveal all the secrets of the depths of the earth, And those who have been destroyed by the desert, And those who have been devoured by the beasts, And those who have been devoured by the fish of the sea, That they may return and stay themselves On the day of the Elect One; For none shall be destroyed before the Lord of Spirits, And none can be destroyed. 6 And all who dwell above in the heaven received a command and power and one voice and one light like unto fire. 7 And that One (with) their first words they blessed, And extolled and lauded with wisdom, And they were wise in utterance and in the spirit of life.

Psalm 22:27. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28. For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations. 29. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. 30. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. 31. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Isaiah 45:22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24. Surely, shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25. In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Revelation 5:11. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12. Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, honour, and glory, and blessing. 13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

It sounds like FAMILY REUNION (Feast of Tabernacles) to me. Can you say, Amen?!

John,

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

the ear

windrider — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:06:52 GMT

the following about the eye is from a word in another thread.

there is much written and much excitement about the EYE or the 3rd eye....or the eye that is single......

THE LIGHT OF THE BODY IS THE EYE: MAT.6:22

What does this mean? i could ask what is the body? and who is the LIGHT of the WORLD?

it is from the BODY/flesh (not meat) that the WORLD is illuminated........that is shown for its existence.....

the MANY as they awaken believe that because they were once asleep and all went on that they are the DREAMERS......either caught in the dream or making the dream.......

EXISTENCE is no more a DREAM than LIFE will be REALITY.......

Existence is LIFE but life caught and trapped in that existence/body.......it is the EYE that feeds this EXISTENCE.......what ever EYE you desire to call it........for THE LIGHT OF THE BODY IS THE EYE:....it is anti-Christ to say that Christ does not come in the flesh/body (again not the meat)....

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eye salve: (from before)

the eye spelt AYIN......

AYIN or Aleph Yod Aleph Nun....the dual nature of our Father as Aleph and Yod in organic life

there is another EYE.....it is spelt the same but it is for the eye that has moved....

this EYE is spelt...aleph yod aleph nun

seems the same......but the first EYE the eye of the natural man....takes its nun from the 14th letter having a numerical position of 50 ......

the second EYE, the eye that rises above the SUN.......takes its nun from the 25th letter having a numerical value of 700.....

rather than the dual nature of our Father as Aleph and Yod in organic life

it is the dual nature of our Father as Aleph and Yod having moved to the cosmic position of the 700 of cosmic indetermination....

that place of all possible possibilities.......
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in The Revelation there are MANY EYES spoken of....in beast, in wings, of fire, with tears and of the 7 spirits......

MANY EYES......

EYES are the LIGHT OF THE BODY/WORLD/FLESH (not meat)

you can have dreamers eyes........and eyes of all KINDS and eyes full of flames.....but in the end every EYE will shall see him.....and have the tears wiped away.......

My friends the EYES important as they are can be closed and for the MANY are closed even as they sleep.......

THE REVELATION OF CHRIST does not come by THE EYES.........even thought the eyes are mentioned in The Revelation...

THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST comes by THE EAR........

8 Times in The Rev. is is commanded "he that hath an ear let him hear".....

oh it can be said this really means it is by the EYE....it is NOT........

The ear is never closed.......even in sleep....the eye can be and is always closed in normal sleep..........

The thief can make his presence become in a sleeping mans house and the man sleeps on......if the thief makes a significant noise the sleeper awakens......

"HE THAT HATH AN EAR LET HIM HEAR"

how ever the DREAMER presents the DREAM it remains a dream no less.......

it is with the EAR that the change begins.......

it is with the EAR that the VEIL is split from top to bottom.....from above to below.......

When the MANY say he is over here or over there (come and see) let us remember he most likely is not.........

The EYE is for those OF the WORLD.........

The EAR is for those IN the WORLD.........

never is it commanded (in the rev) "HE THAT HATH AN EYE LET HIM SEE"

seeing is the easy part........even sleepers dream they see......

all the animals see..........even the wings have eyes.......

EAR = ozen broadness from AZAN to EXPAND....

The EYE is as a fountain......if one desires to expand he must develop the EAR.....

Ear = azan = aleph zayn aleph nun

as with eye: or AYIN or Aleph Yod Aleph Nun....the dual nature of our Father as Aleph and Yod in organic life

the ear: AZAN .....the dual nature of our Father as Aleph (and YOD in existence) moved to Zayn or the 7th position of movement that of all possible possibilities in its archtype level finished with NUN as the 25th letter (700) the cosmic all possible possibility......

it is the EAR that transports the BODY by the magnification of 100 from 7 to 700......

and as it does it will move in this realm of all possible possibilities as the archtype of 7 thru the all possible possibilities of the 16th position that of AYaN numerically the 70 and on into the cosmic realm of the NUN the 700th....

my friends be not fooled......

it is not by the dreamers EYE.........

it is by "HE THAT HATH AN EAR LET HIM HEAR".......

the 7 women hang upon one man.......as many eyes........or spirits......

cast off the BEAST FULL OF EYES......THE WINGS FULL OF EYES.......CAST OFF THE 7 WOMEN........

be single of EAR........

wind rider

What If.......

Mayheart — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:44:50 GMT

....there were two Matrixes, and one had to choose which one to serve........and in the serving......one found a ...friend...and the friend found the beloved..And in the beloved, you found the Matrix of reality.

What if you were given a portion, formed in you, that no one could take away even if they tried.....and when they tried, you knew not to listen, no matter what the cost.

What if all the portions had to fit together, and there was a time appointed for that to happen.....that you knew was coming but no one would believe you?

What if the cost to bring all the portions together was more than you could afford?
What would you be willing to do......

Just some thoughts....pondering......

Mayheart

SHIFTING AWARENESS...

RonSigler — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:46:37 GMT

SHIFTING AWARENESS

This poem was truly great and it hits the mark. As for my reply to your last e-mail of last night, I am not satisfied with my reply. Ive been musing over the things you were told that the C.I.M. is supposed to teach concerning nothing in this dimension as being real. I went and dug up my copy of the course but upon opening it I was not really all that enthused about attempting to find any specific teaching in it because its a very thick bulky book with very thin pages and I just didnt desire to research it for anything specific.

I will tell you that your feedback to me as a result of what you were told that the course teaches caused all kinds of red flags to come up in me. To be quite honest with you, I personally do not base my life on any teachings that come from without, whether its a book or a flesh and blood teacher, not the bible, not any outside source. Until what I know has come from within, I can easily be dissuaded from it, for unless it has come from within, Im not really established in it. Please do not misunderstand me. Im not implying that you are fickle here, not at all.

From the spirit I get from your communications with me, I feel you know the difference, and that what you have today, has came from within you. The computer is a sterile instrument in terms of emotions, making it easy to take some things the wrong way. Thats why I try to be as clear as these keys Im punching will allow me. As for your friends understanding concerning what the course actually teaches, it is her personal understanding. I myself would not take issue with it. As we know one mans medicine is sometimes another mans poison.

The anointing in each of us will often seemingly very in its teachings. This is because we all are at different levels of consciousness. The anointing always teaches me truth, but when this teaching is ran through the human mentality it is colored by my un renewed mind to whatever degree the mind has not experienced the renewing process. So that whatever I share with others that I have seen, will be a mixture of truth and error. So almost always the pureness of truth will be tainted and mixed with a certain amount of error.

The error will be less and less as my seeking the truth continues, for the transformation that results from my search keeps diluting the error. So, its good that I dont put all my eggs into one basket. Some have done this with the course, seeing it as infallible. Many have done this with the bible beginning with the five books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The major error as I see it has been that seeking humanity over time has unwittingly made the written page its authority when in fact the real Shepherds teachings always come from within and has always been the only real authority.

The black and white letters at best are just that. They are the sharing of men and women who saw truth to a degree and wrote down the truth as they saw it. The Consciousness that is within man has evolved until the present day, and there is less error in the sharing of many today then there was two thousand years ago. Although the Course is not infallible, there is as I see it, far greater light between its covers then the traditional book the organized church put together long ago.

As for trusting the inner teachings that come to us, its really not a matter of trust. When that which we know, has came from the anointing we cannot help but believe it, and its not even a matter of believing, but its something we know. Its like Mike Dooley once said, All of a sudden I realize I know something new, and I dont know when it came to me. Its as though someone teaches me when Im not paying attention. Personally there have been many times that Ive awakened in the morning and realized I knew something that I never knew when I went to bed.

As I have sometime said when asked if I can prove what Im sharing my response has been, you cannot prove truth, You can only know it. I know you have not asked me if I believed that this world and all thats in it is real or just illusion, , but Ill tell you what I think anyway. If I look through my human eyes, all is a reality. If I shift my awareness to a cosmic level, or if I look through the single eye, I see everything as before, but now its all a reflection of that which I am. As I view it I see some of what I am that are totally lost within their own personal illusion that they have in their darkness created, but I also know that the problems created by them will eventually correct them.

To the ego, the man of flesh that I am for today, it all seems quite real, yet because I have came awake, now, I more and more see it as a dream that the first man Adam is having. Seeing this frees me and allows me to not take this world too seriously, and to enjoy it to the uttermost, but again to not take it too seriously. If I have became aware that this world is a dream Im dreaming, then it creates a three dimensional world for me whereas before the other one was flat. This awareness should b e a source of peace to me. The fact that I have become lucid in this dream has for me, given life in it more meaning. At some point in our journey we will all come to a place where we straddle two realities.

This is when weve developed the cosmic consciousness, . This means, that at will, we can shift from dual vision to single vision or from single vision to dual. I see Jesus as having this ability which explains some things he did and said according to the records we have, that for years I had a problem with. So, I just encourage you to continue to trust in that inner knowing. I hope I have answered your e-mail of yesterday in a way that has helped clarify you concerning your concerns. Always you have my best desires for you on your journey. In his profound love,

Ron S.

Set your DVR

BarbaraSymons — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:33:12 GMT

Hi Everyone!

There is a wonderful show about 2012 called 2012 Secret Mysteries on the Sci-Fi (syfy)channel tonight at 10:00pm CST. It offers two opposing viewpoints on the happenings leading up to and coming in 2012. We have the opportunity to FEAR or to embrace OPPORTUNITY. I encourage everyone to watch.

Love to all,

Barbara

"Ye are of your Father the Devil"

zero — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:50:43 GMT

"Ye are of your father the Devil"

Yes God created man as good in Genesis One, but in Genesis Two we have an artificial form of life made of dust where Adam is Lucifer and Eve is Babylon. This first man being in the image of the invisible God was translucent and was complete as male and female, some of us here have already discovered they are not this flesh body...they have overcome this biological Luciferean robot made of frozen light....light that has become darkness that lives in duality whose eye is not single.

WE are in the last days where the seed of the Women is being separated from the seed of the Serpent, it speaks in Enoch of Woman being God's first creation.

It is our Mother above that is gathering her chicks out of this world, some will hear this the rest will not for they are not in God's likeness and image.

It was in Isaac new seed was being brought forth "but in Isaac a seed be called to Thee. That is the children of flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned as seed".........the real children of God are invisible, you could not pick them with your natural eyes, but by their works. There are vessels in the Potters house that are only fit for destruction, to be rebuilt in new pieces. The old has to go to make way for the new, new wine is not being poured into old skins, as many in Christendom may think.

Do not think for a moment all men are men, for many are demons, this salvation of all doctrine can be very deceptive it is "God is Saviour of all mankind" but not all men are men."That is they are children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned as seed."Rom.9:8 What Paul was meaning was simply until now the children of the promise were still seed.... they were there only in potential.

Rememebr Paul was given "to complete the Word of God....to deliver the mystery hidden from the ages and generations." The resurrection is everything Paul tells the Corinthians, "each one in his own order", the body must "be changed". Others may perceive you as flesh but you no longer do, once you realize what seed you belong to.To do this you must offer up your body as the only worthwhile sacrifice and transform your mind, your thoughts.

Yes many are demons offspring of demons they are mere biological robots that God in His wisdom uses to separate the goats from the sheep but alas many sheep are asleep as to this truth."In Adam all die"....that is why they are not in God's image and likeness for they are manufactures mere self replicating biological robots that have the appearance of being human but are Luciferean the seed of Satan of Genesis 3:15.

They have not yet woken out of the Book of Daniels "sleep of the dust."

They seek fruit in knowledge, in what they lack and use knowledge as weapons...dogmas they use as a sword to behead any who would resist them. Even posts like this, for they know how to put on sheep's clothing. Let us be vigilant for the Devil goes about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour and as Christ said

"ye are of your father the Devil."

Make no mistake there are these seed of the serpent on these boards "by their works you shall know them."

Let us look at the Book of Enoch that Rome/Babylon has excluded from the Bible I wonder why? Christ was happy to quote from it. Just have a short read of these passages................

This is what God told Enoch about the Sons of god coming down to earth: Enoch 8:1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Enoch 9:1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals (of the earth) and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, (Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun), and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...

Enoch 10:8 And "the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin." And to Gabriel said the Lord: ' Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy the children of the Watchers from amongst men: : send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.' And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: (and) to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.

Enoch 14:24 And the Lord called me with His own mouth and said to me: 'Come hither, Enoch and hear my word.' , and He made me rise up and approach the door: and I bowed my face downwards.

Enoch 15: And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: ' Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to who have sent thee to intercede do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 evil spirits shall they be called. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, and thirst, and cause offenses. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded .

Enoch 16:1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death , from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgment, thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great in which the age shall be consummated, 2 over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated."

How many of us are suffering from consequences of these evil spirits in human form. What blessing is Einstein and those who fathered the atomic bomb, providing means for man's population to explode without the means to feed them and hosue them properly.

Ample money for wars to kill and maim people and then displace them to other countries, some inventions are good most are bad, causing cancers and ill health and a lazy population where they exploit other nations through having their currency not backed by gold but armed police and huge armies. When the gold standard went the police became armed. Paul calls this "spiritual wickedness in high places."