Heart To Heart

the illusion of the illusion

windrider — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:45:57 GMT

it remains lost on those still seeking that becoming "was not" is not a journey of "becoming".......

so it could be wondered ...what of this ..."I AM BECOMING I AM" this one called YHWH......

How does "BECOMING" consume "was not"....

or is "was not" a position to be found by "BECOMING" and is a timespace when "was not" consumes "becoming"

for any one wondering...i mean in light of " ENOCH WALKED WITH GOD AND WAS NOT FOR GOD TOOK HIM".....

when looking at the beginning of that which is written...we find it was CAIN'S lineage that produced Enoch as his son....and in less than 8 generations his lineage is gone becoming "was not" for God took it.....

So what of the ILLUSION........it was ADAM made in the image (illusion) and had a son called SETH (meaning substitute or put mark) and it is his son ENOS (meaning mortal)..... and it was ENOS who first was "TO PROFANE GOD'S NAME" or be involved in "IDOLATRY"...the truth of the following verse.....

"THEN BEGAN MEN TO CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD" Gen.4:26

the lineage of Adam thru Seth is the substitute of the image or the ILLUSION/Seth of the ILLUSION/Adam.....

the ILLUSION of the ILLUSION.......said another way the for those who prefer is is also the DREAM of the DREAMER.... these are the way of the evolutionary path

there is another path......the way of CAIN's lineage......the way of ENOCH......the way of CHRIST....

the way of those who walked with God and was not for God took them.......

Seth was never the FIRSTBORN he was the first begat

Cain was the first "mourning woman" or to "strike a musical note"....... (quwn 6969)

he is the movement of the sound of the LAST TRUMP as the WOMAN IN TRAVAIL.....

everyone wants to be Christ but no one wants to be Cain........

some desire to be Enoch but no one wants to be Cain.......

and it was Cain who's Mother proclaimed upon his that "he was MAN in every aspect YHWH" as the FIRSTBORN......

it was Cain who was Abel to lay down VANITY/abel in his field of consciousness.......

to become "WAS NOT".....and mourn and wail that such could be so.......it was Cain who received the blessing of the 7....that no man could kill him......

and it was the last of his lineage called LAMECH who receive the double 7 (77) blessing.......

it was SETH who replace Abel ......or Seth became the SUBSTITUTE for VANITY.......the illusion of the illusion .......so often found in the teaching of MAN......and his houses of BETH-EVEN......even when those houses are exercised in the small houses of books......

in the lineage of Adam/seth LAMECH died at age 777.....in the lineage of Cain....it was Cain who received the 7 and Lamech the end with 77.....or the three 7's together (777) .....

in the lineage of Seth Lamech produces the oldest
recorded age of man in the written word....Methuselah......969.....

but that is a story told for another day....

if we seek TRUTH in the illusion of the illusion we may never really awaken and only believe we remain dreamers of the dream........and it is so.....

there is another way......

it is when the BECOMERS become "WAS NOT".....

by this those "BECOMING" become "OVER-COMERS" into the land of "WAS NOT".....

wind rider

sparks....

Ronflyer — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:18:02 GMT

I find the following very interesting and informative.... not just 'information'..... something far more valuable...yet strange to one's Western perspective/bias.... but what about......"

Now, The word "Jewish" in English may mean a historical, cultural understanding of the Jewish people, their experience and contributions over the history of humanity and over many generations.

But in Hebrew the word simply means totally something else. YEHUDI comes from the tribe of YEHUDA, one of the 12 tribes of Israel. And in Hebrew it simply means:

This is a stage of a spiritual development, that, when one realizes it, is called Yehudi.

2. According to the Zohar, the verb also means YIHUD = UNION, or TO BE ONE, and indicating the work of the being, to UNITE with the CREATOR of the Universe, with every thought and action, to always UNITE all that is separated, and in every situation in life, in all dimensions.

Another hint for this beautiful verb is also comes from HODAYAH Hay, Vav,

Daleth, Yod, and Hay. HODAYAH means deep gratefulness for BEING. So from

the same verb of Being in Hebrew the gratefulness for BEING is built in within

the verb and the letters.....

anyway.... here is the piece I refer to...Ron

Sparks

Based on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe
Courtesy of MeaningfulLife.com

At the "Covenant Between the Parts" G-d said to Abraham: "Know that your children shall be strangers in a land not theirs, and they will enslave them and afflict them... and afterwards they will go out with great wealth."

For much of our history, we have indeed been strangers in a land not ours. There was the Egyptian Exile that preceded our birth as a nation; the Babylonian Exile that followed the destruction of the First Temple; the Greek Exile during the Second Temple Era; and our present exile, which began with the Roman destruction of the Holy Temple in 69 ce and from which we have yet to emerge after more than nineteen centuries under the hegemony of alien powers.

Exile -- galut, in Hebrew -- is much more than a person's physical removal from his homeland. A person in exile is a person severed from the environment that nourishes his way of life, his principles and values, his spiritual identity. In exile all these are in jeopardy, for the onus is now on him alone; he must call upon his own resources of resolve and perseverance to survive. In the words of our sages, "All journeys are dangerous."

Why are we in galut? Galut is commonly regarded as a punishment for our national and individual failings. Indeed, the Prophets repeatedly describe it as such, and in our prayers we lament the fact that, "Because of our sins, we were exiled from our land." But if galut was solely punishment for sin, its intensity would gradually diminish as the sins that caused it are atoned for; yet we find that galut grows darker and deeper as it progresses. Furthermore, our state of galut was foretold to Abraham in his covenant with G-d as an integral part of the Jewish mission in history long before the sins for which it atones were committed.

The Promise

A clue to a deeper significance of galut can be found in the "great wealth" that G-d promised to Abraham as the result of his children's sojourn in the land of Egypt. Indeed, this promise is a recurrent theme in the Torah's account of the Egyptian Exile and the Exodus -- to the extent that one gets the impression that this was the very purpose of our enslavement in Egypt.

In G-d's first communication to Moses, when He revealed Himself to him in the burning bush and charged him with the mission of taking the Jewish people out of Egypt, He makes sure to include the promise that, "When you go, you will not go empty-handed. Every woman shall ask from her neighbor, and from her that dwells in her house, vessels of gold and vessels of silver and garments... and you shall drain Egypt ."

During the plague of darkness, when the land of Egypt was plunged into a darkness so thick that the Egyptians could not budge from their places, the Jewish people -- whom the darkness did not affect -- were able to move about freely inside the Egyptians' homes. This, says the Midrash, was in order that the Jews should be able to take an inventory of the wealth of Egypt, so that the Egyptians could not deny the existence of any valuable objects the Jews asked for when they left Egypt.

And just prior to the Exodus, G-d again says to Moses: "Please, speak into the ears of the people, that each man ask his fellow, and each woman her fellow, for vessels of silver and gold." G-d is virtually begging the Children of Israel to take the wealth of Egypt!"

The Talmud explains that the Jewish people were disinclined to hold up their departure from Egypt in order to gather its wealth:

To what is this comparable? To a man who is locked up in prison and is told: Tomorrow you shall be freed from prison and be given a lot of money. Says he: I beg of you, free me today, and I ask for nothing more ... Please! Ask the Egyptians for gold and silver vessels, so that the righteous one (Abraham) should not say: He fulfilled "They will be enslaved and tortured", but He did not fulfill "and afterwards they will go out with great wealth."

But certainly Abraham, too, would have been prepared to forgo the promise of great wealth if this were to hasten his children's liberation. Obviously, the gold and silver we carried out of Egypt was an indispensable component of our redemption.

The Glitter in the Gold

The Talmud offers the following explanation for the phenomenon of galut: "The people of Israel were exiled amongst the nations only so that converts might be added to them."

On the most basic level, this is a reference to the many non-Jews who, in the course of the centuries of our dispersion, have come in contact with the Jewish people and have been inspired to convert to Judaism. But Chassidic teaching explains that the Talmud is also referring to souls of a different sort that are transformed and elevated in the course of our exiles: the sparks of holiness contained within the physical creation.

The great Kabbalist Rabbi Isaac Luria taught that every object, force and phenomenon in existence has a spark of holiness within it -- a pinpoint of divinity that constitutes its soul, its spiritual essence and design. This spark embodies the divine desire that the thing exist, and its function within G-d's overall purpose for creation. When a person utilizes something to serve his Creator, he penetrates its shell of mundanity, revealing and realizing its divine essence.

It is to this end that we have been dispersed across the face of earth: so that we may come in contact with the sparks of holiness that await redemption in every corner of the globe.

Every soul has its own sparks scattered about in the world, which actually form an integral part of itself: no soul is complete until it has redeemed those sparks related to its being. Thus a person moves through life, impelled from place to place and from occupation to occupation by seemingly random forces; but everything is by divine providence, which guides every man to those possessions and opportunities whose soul is intimately connected with his.

Thus the Torah relates how Jacob risked his life to retrieve some "small jugs" he had left behind after crossing the Yabbok River. "The righteous," remarks the Talmud, "value their possessions more than their bodies." For they recognize the divine potential in every bit of matter, and see in each of their possessions a component of their own spiritual integrity.

The Lesson

At times, a person might be inclined to escape galut by enclosing himself in a cocoon of spirituality, devoting his days and nights to Torah study and prayer. But instead of escaping galut, he is only deepening his entrenchment within it, for he is abandoning limbs of his own soul--his sparks of holiness --in the wasteland of unrefined materiality.

It is only by meeting the challenges that divine providence sends our way, by utilizing every bit of material gold and silver toward a G-dly end, that we extricate these sparks from their galut, achieve a personal redemption, and hasten the universal redemption when "The great shofar shall be sounded, and the lost shall come from the lands of plenty, and the forsaken from the lands of stricture, and they shall bow to G-d on the Holy Mountain in Jerusalem."

LOVE IS...

RonSigler — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:59:10 GMT

Love is the One we all know as god, but it flows unrestricted only to the degree that my ego is consumed by the wreckage I create through the ignorance of who I am.

Mayan Elder on the days of darkness, 2012

BarbMtnWolf — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:35:48 GMT

http://www.shiftoftheages.com/

All Stars Rise ....

goodnewsinc — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:59:07 GMT

The Sun, Moon, and Stars Rise

Psalms 19:1. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 5. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

The apparent movement of the constellations is due to the tilt and rotation of the planet, Earth in our solar system. This causes the seasons on earth and the equinox regarding the hours of day and night. Ancient Mayans noting this developed a calendar based upon the movement of the constellations. Since the heavens declare the glory of God, to understand you need to identify and define the allegoric references of sun, moon, and stars.

Revelation of sun

A. Psalms 84:11. For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the Lord will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. 12. O Lord of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.

B. Psalms 19:4 the sun, 5. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Luke 5:30. But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? 31. And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. 33. And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink? 34. And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? 35. But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those

days.

Revelation of the moon

Genesis 37:9. And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. 10. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

Revelation 12:1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2. And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Isaiah 66:7. Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. 8. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. 10. Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:

Isaiah 54:5. For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. 13. And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

Psalm 87:4. I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there. 5. And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. 6. The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. 7. As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.

Matthew 23: 9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Galatians 4:26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Now you know where the idea of a man in the moon came from. It has a reality in TRUTH from Her belly!

The stars

Genesis 1:14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 19. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 37:9. And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. 10. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

Genesis 15: 5. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6. And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Daniel 12:1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Matthew 13:43. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Isaiah 54:22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24. Surely, shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25. In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

The rising of the stars

Psalm 22:27. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28. For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations. 29. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. 30. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. 31. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Isaiah 66:18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

Ecclesiastes 12:7. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isaiah 25:6. And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7. And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it. 9. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

John,

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from a fellow-charismatic's journey

Ronflyer — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:52:58 GMT

"Is there a relationship between the charismatic renewal and the mystical tradition? Years ago I bought a book called Contemplation and the Charismatic Renewal. I never read it maybe I should go back and read it now but I liked the basic message as described in the blurb on the back cover: that the fervent excitement of charismatic experience can and perhaps ought to mature into the deep loving silence of contemplative practice.

I hung out with charismatic Christians for about a year or so back in high school. As Ive said elsewhere, when I was sixteen I had a fairly profound experience of the presence of God during a youth retreat Communion service. Profound experiences of Gods presence werent really on the menu at the Lutheran Church my parents and I attended, so I started to hang out with my Pentecostal and charismatic friends, since they had a language for experiential spirituality and I could speak of my experience without anyone thinking I needed meds. Before long I had worked the program: I had been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and was speaking in tongues and prophesying and dancing in the spirit along with the best of them.

But it only lasted a year. A few things happened to cause me to move on, including a disillusioning weekend at a national charismatic conference where I saw some real out-of-integrity behavior on the part of the leaders of my group. But probably the main reason I gave up on charismatic Christianity was, ironically, the fact that I couldnt square my own experience with God with what the charismatics were telling me. They had a pretty high theology of evil Satan was behind every rock and bush, and definitely active in the occult, eastern religions, and rock music which didnt square with my rather mind-blowing experience of God as pure love and ultimate, sovereign power. Nowadays, using the categories of integral theory, I can see that the group I was involved in had (and enforced) boundaries consistent with a strong tribal/mythic-membership consciousness, whereas I was already moving to more of a world-centric/pluralistic consciousness, which simply has an entirely different set of boundaries. Without meaning to sound judgmental, my experience was like hanging out with a group of people huddled around a bonfire, scared of the dark and I was the only one who could see that the sun was rising.

So I got disillusioned with charismatic forms of spirituality, and have been rather armored against the charismatic world ever since. After a number of twists and turns that I dont need to go into here, I discovered contemplative spirituality, and despite a rather long detour into paganism, thats pretty much where Ive dropped anchor.

Back to my initial question: is charismatic experience is any way related to the profound exploration of the mysteries of God that characterize the heart of Christian mysticism? And the older I get, and the more I am capable of understanding the dynamics of why charismatic community didnt work for me when I was a teenager, the more I am inclined to say yes.

After all, we hold that God is one. Three persons, but one God. If this is so, then either charismatics and mystics are inspired by the same Holy Spirit, or else one group or the other is erring spectacularly. And yes, I know that there are charismatics who will insist that mystics come straight from the pit of hell. But see what I wrote above: those charismatics, in my view, are trapped in a tribal way of relating to the world. My question is more about charismatics who (or at least, who are willing to) embrace a more global, pluralistic, world-centric consciousness. Is there a place for glossolalia, ecstatic dancing, and prophetic utterances at the threshold of the abyss of Gods deep silence?

I think so. I have no idea what this looks like, but I think its worth pondering over and praying about.

Part of what I loved about the charismatic world was its confidence. Charismatics loved the idea that God is just waiting to bestow gifts on his children. They loved to quote this passage from the Sermon on the Mount:

Ask, and it will be given you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10 Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him! (Matthew 7:7-11)

Somehow, when I got disillusioned with charismatic spirituality and removed myself from that corner of Christian practice, I also gave up on this degree of simple, childlike trust. I got sophisticated in my thinking: Its wrong to ask God for a good parking spot; someone else might need it more than I do. Of course, by that logic, it soon became wrong to ask God for anything. And guess what? I stopped asking God for anything.

So let me be Hegelian here for a minute: if Ive gone from the thesis of simple, childlike trust (in a charismatic sense), to the antithesis of silent surrender that, alas, was not nearly as trusting (in a contemplative sense), then perhaps now as I move toward my sixth decade on this giant whirling rock, Im trying to find a synthesis, combining a deep childlike trust with a deep, serene silence, characterized by a pluralistic, boundary-less love. Im not sure that this has anything to do with speaking in tongues or ecstatic dancing. Not to pass judgment on such things, but thats not really what Im looking for. Im looking for the sense of deep trust in Gods goodness and Gods willingness to give us gifts, even better gifts than we can ask for or imagine.

I suppose I can begin this quest for a new charismatic-contemplative synthesis by asking God for it. And while Im at it, I can ask God for help in my discipline, and help in my quest for holiness, and help in dealing with my distractions and inner turmoil whenever I sit in silence. And following the theme Ive been writing on lately (how to become a mystic), I can take Karl Rahners idea that the Christian of the future will be a mystic to God, and trustingly share with God that I am ready to be re-formed and transformed into the Christian that God would have me become.

Wow. Im hitting my resistance. Time to breathe deeply, again and again. And to work on that trust issue."

ANSWER TO A FRIENDS E_MAIL...

RonSigler — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:41:06 GMT

ANSWER TO A FRIENDS E_MAIL

He that loses his life shall find it something Jesus taught his disciples. He taught that the only way to find our life is to lose it, and as I lose my life, spontaneously I find my new one in the Christ that is my greater identity.

I love that you did not write that we are being resurrected, for that is already, right?

For the hour is coming and now is, when all they that are in their graves shall hear the voice of the son of God, and they that hear shall live.

The resurrection, the ascension, etc all theses things happen within us when were ready. As for the resurrection, it took place two thousand years ago. When Jesus was crucified, all men were crucified. When he was resurrected, all men were resurrected. When he was glorified, all men were glorified. Those things are all history. In reality this all happened in the mind of God before the foundation of the world.

We, you and I, and the whole creation are now experiencing these things in time. As above, so below. Whatever happens in the macrocosm, must and will, and does happen in the microcosm.

And oh Ron, how I love reading that we do not have to DO anything,,,for the Light beams when we arent even thinking about BEing or 'beaming', right?

Theres nothing to do but rest and bask in the light that is coming from within us for that light is beaming us up. This light raises our vibration

The Exchanged Lifewe were taught that in the Christ Life there is no beginning and no end, so once we take on that Life (by faith), neither do we! (which also means that we are not a product of our geneology humanly at all). We were taught instead, we are a product of " the Cross"but I am coming to see that our identity originates before time, which means before "the Cross", right? What do we "do" with the Cross? Some are asking me this on

occasion.

There has never been a time throughout all eternity when we were not eternal. According to the scriptures, we were lost, the end result of his coming was to renew our mind. This renewing is synonymous with our waking up, or our remembering. The scriptures were written for the lost

Once I hear the voice of the Son of God, and come out of the grave of duality, then in a real sense I have experienced the resurrection. Then the letter of the word begins to yield its spirit to me. The dead letter begins to come alive with new meaning. Through my resurrection I discover myself in Christ a new creation, and all then has become new.

The organized church has always taught that I receive eternal life at the moment of conversion. The fact is however, that Ive always been eternal. Even before I was created a soul, I lived in the heart of God. My conversion was the first time I experienced what Ive always been. When I was ready, faith surfaced to believe, brought on by the moving of the Spirit, my greater identity. We all have received the wrong information.

This was largely due to our being influenced by a church that has been led by unbroken leaders. Leaders with good intentions but whose credentials was a piece of paper that qualified them to teach. They went out before they were called to do so, and many

were not called to that calling. You say people ask what do we do with the cross

It is because of the Cross that you are beginning to see that you did not originate in time, and that God is your Father and youve never had another. It is the crosses that I create that will eventually open me up to see only one, and that this one is that which I am. The real cross is that which I create by the mistakes I make, that are created by my forgetting who I am. In the larger scheme of things thats the way it was designed.

Jesus knew who he was at age 12 according to the scriptures.

His mistake if you will was that he saw through the sham of the religion of his day. He felt compelled to expose it because of his love for humanity, and his feelings concerning all the sheep that were being exploited because of that religion. The cross he died on was only a symbol of the one his ego had died of as a result of making basically the same mistakes as the rest of us. concerning his death, he went against the wrong people.

By the way, if what I write here triggers questions in your mind, please feel free to ask them. The Exchanged Life..we were taught that in the Christ Life there is no beginning and no end, so once we take on that Life (by faith), neither do we! (Which also means that we are not a product of our genealogy humanly at all)?

Theres just enough error in this teaching to keep us sleeping. Absolutely speaking there is only one life, and its the life of Christ or God. Its the life that we have as man, and its the life that we are that animates man. if I have experienced the resurrection of two thousand years ago, which incidentally was universal, then I just experienced my eternalness in time, but the truth is Ive never been born ,and Im subject to no death except that which is mystical.

As the so called First Adam, I die in the experience of time-space reality But absolutely speaking, all of us died in Christ and all were resurrected, and all now are resting with our elder brother and have been since before the foundation of the world. As the masters last four words on the cross said, IT IS FINISHED! It is when I begin to hear the laughter of God deep within my being that scales begin to come off my eyes and I remember. Then all religious influence begins to leave me.

I had to know error before I could know truth. Truth has a way of permeating me through the process of elimination. Darkness comes before the light. Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. The long night of the sleeping soul is coming to an end. There will be joy unbounded when our eyes are fully opened in the morning.

There is much love here for you.

Ron

The Value of Human Existence

BarbaraSymons — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:07:00 GMT

"You yourself chose to be here. You are on assignment to bring memory forward and to bring the value of human existence back to the forefront of creation. You are needed. You have been in training for this assignment for lifetimes, and you did not come unprepared. All that you need to know now is inside of you, and it is your task to remember your training. This is not a lifetime when you are going to be taught new information. As we said before, this is a lifetime when your are going to remember what you already know, and we are here to remind you of it. That is part of our assignment."

From Bringers of the Dawn by Barbara Marciniak

My best friend died

SomewhereInTime — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:41:05 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaYzxcP4VI

I was searching for some music we both loved from a while back, just to listen to, again. Nothing of those songs, really spoke to the "now" moment I was experiencing. Then this one song appeared in a list, from a group I'd never heard of (past my time)...which just got to me in a comforting way.
I really don't have many real people as my true friends, so losing this one true friend from over 23 years of -everything- has just been a heart-breaking experience.
I do not understand why the Lord took him so young..at 51...and so unexpectedly. I do know he felt he fulfilled his personal mission, to bring all of his family back together again.
First he reconciled with the Lord, then forgiveness to all took place, to the point that father/mother/all siblings got together again, in forgiveness and love.
I watched it happen. It was as if I could see heaven happen right before my eyes.
The reconciliation of an entire family---his.
I wonder why the Lord has now taken this man from this earth...he was very kind to all, no matter what.
I guess like that song said....I just got too close to heaven, that's all.
That's why I feel so very sad now, to have lost him, on this earth. Friendship like his doesn't come along every day--miracles like that, so rare, but do happen...even in this age.
Dan showed me the possible -- the beauty of reconciliation -- God's will in his life.
But now he is gone....it feels like a dream because Dan was life & I don't know why the Lord would take such a son of His so soon.
I hate death, the separation. I'd post his picture but I don't know how. He had three kids....and a wife--my dearest friends on earth, so far. They are grieving beyond measure and also in shock.
This just makes no sense.

Have I gone to far?

paulinsd — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:16:17 GMT

I don't believe I have, actually, but feel you folk are the most "enlightened" of the "Christians" out there in cyberspace to ask and engage with. I've been reading Peter Dziubans' CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL and Rupert Spiras' THE TRANSPARENCY OF THINGS. The contention is ...All there is is God, end of story. He shows up as "you and me" (form, appearance, what we see) shows up as thought (what we percieve) and Is the Background of it all. He's supposedly taken some time to forget who He Is and experience life as you and me. And now I AM in the process of awakening from the idea that I'm simply a human headed for death. He is the water and the waves upon the water. Anyway, now I'm writing stuff like..

I was, you were, before a cell mass from your "father" and "mother" came together and became a single cell mass. The cell mass grew and finally came into the outer world. The eternal you, that was before all this, was then, and is now, present. That eternal you is. That which is will be, as I, you, "age." In time I, you, will return from whence you came.

So, I AM, YOU ARE, an Everlasting Being. In Him we live and move and have "our" Being. Lets choose, in each now, to Be whats possible as Eternal Beings. Lets get clear that we are not cell masses named Paul and Jane with all the attendant thoughts and sensations and perceptions. And if we are not cell masses with names, with random thoughts and experiences...who are we? Who are you?

Interested in any feedback.

boomeritis and spirituality

Ronflyer — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:01:51 GMT

Here is a provocative kick in the pants..... by Elizabeth Debold...... a parade route brat daring to expose 'emperor babyboomer'?

"Seeking salvation in the mirror of our minds is a boomeritis trick that allows us to not change while being endlessly involved in thinking about change as if it were the real thing. The intensely subjective self, which gives ultimate priority and authority to our thoughts and feeling states, leads to a corruption of the entire aim of spiritual life. The purpose of spiritual life, the reason to seek, is reduced to wanting to feel better. In a word: bliss. In two words: no stress. "

Why Do People Say....

Mayheart — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 22:58:46 GMT

that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?

Thoughts?

The Laughter of God...

RonSigler — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 04:19:31 GMT

God has made me to laugh, so that all who hear will laugh with me

Deep in my soul I heard the laughter of God, ringing in silvery cadences through the timbers of my being, breaking the human bonds and limitations as a strong, yet gentle wind in the forest sweeps aside the strands of a cobweb. The hard fast knots that I had tied slipped loose, and the snarls of beliefs broke free. The river of my human life frozen by a thousand and one false ideas and teachings broke joyously into expression and went bounding to the infinite sea of life to be lost and found at the same time.

One dark cave of fear after another was illuminated by the light of this laughter and swampy areas of sick thoughts were dried up instantly. Parched sands of hopelessness and futile efforts were drenched by the living waters, sucked in-absorbed instantly like a wave breaking on the sands. God laughing at me, and my puny efforts to make things happen; to make heaven appear; to attain the Sonship. Not the laugh of derision, but of infinite compassion, laughter so deep and sweet, so pure and glorious that everything in the nature of struggle gave way before it.

And the breath of that glorious laughter blew all the dirty rags of personal teaching and self- aggrandizement away from me, and at first the fierce joy that proceeded from the unheard-heard peals of laughter made me afraidafraid that everything worth while was being taken from me, and that I should be naked; but no sooner had the filthy rags of personality blown free then I was clothed in a panoply of light, and in this glorious raiment of light I saw for the first time the glory of the spirit made flesh.

I stood before the infinite peals of laughter, which flowed through all creation like floods of golden mist, filled with speechless wonder at the beauty of the world I had lived inwhich had been invisible because of my separation, because of my personal ideas about attainment. I was a child with a small measure at the seaside, trying to carry off a little water when the whole sea was at my disposal, and I understood for the first time the exhaustless sea of substance about me, and that the idea of hoarding was but a childish fear grown into a Goliatn by false teaching and beliefs.

I suddenly became aware that the substance was everywhere, in everything, out of everything, and the only place of lack was in the hypnotic state of belief and I alone created and moved in this vacuum. And the glorious laughter rolled on, searching the very joints and marrow of medislodging every belief in fear, sickness, or age. And as it swept over me and through me, and round about me, I was amazed with the wonder of it the fierce terrible thing which was at the same time so beautiful and free. The wonder of it keep singing through my soul as veil after veil of belief was rent asunder and new kingdoms stood revealed.

And the whole thing was as if one just saw a little deeper, as one looks through the surface reflection on a river and sees the pebbles and shells below, that was all; only the laughter made this possible, for it cleared away all the effort and straining which in its attempt to see God had been halted at the reflection on the surface, instead of gazing into the limpid, glorious depth of infinity.

The voice as its honeyed tones flowed out like a burst of sunshine through storm-clouds, was so unlabored, so untrammeled, and so divinely indifferent, seemed to envelop me with an instant realization that all was well. No matter how many struggles had been made, no matter how many mistakes, how many shortcomings, how many failures, how long the belief, or how short the hate, it was all swept aside as nothing.

The glorious Divine ease with which it was expressed made dis-ease impossible. It was the overturning an overturning that had to take place before he, the laughing one could come into expression. The people of God are a people of joy, and it is not until they hear this God laughter in their souls that they have attained their heritage. What of this race that speaks of the kingdom and doing the Fathers work, and uses all the language of the truth, and at the same time sows seeds of fear and hellish inventions?

What is this race that is always seeking evil to destroy, like a weasel seeks out a rat? What is the hopelessness they preach that on the one hand, you are the Sons of God, and on the other, that you must fight against evil of every sort and nature? Ah, yes, but, if, and maybe they roll these stumbling-blocks under their tongues with a wise twinkle in their eyes, as much as to say, Yes, it is all true, but it comes only with hard labor and long study, and it is not for such as you, sinner and worm of the dust that you are, until you have purified yourself in the fount of my wisdom and paid me personal homage.

And it is then that the Magdalene hears the laughter of God and is clean and free; and in an instant too; and it is when the cripple hears the laughter of God that he leaps to his feet and runs away praising the living God. And it is when you, no matter where you are, or what you are, no matter what you have done or left undone, hear the laughter of God within and the God without, that you will crash through the gates of hell and find heaven, no matter what these gates may be person, place, or thing.

One moments recognition that you are the Son of the living God, and you have attuned your ear for the laughter of God which will put to flight all the stupid ideas of mine and thine, and free you into an expression that you have not yet dreamed of. How can you restrain the joy that fills you when you hear this laughter which when it is heard, causes the winter of your discontent to break into full fruition, which causes you to see that before they call I will answer. Is not a bit of euphonious language, but a positive living, glowing fact. I was afraid and therefore you were driven out of the Garden of Life.

You have been afraid that God would punish youthat it is too good 6to be true that you are not readythat it comes by great learning; and so you are still without the portals of your own kingdom, trying every way but the only way to re-enter. Many there be who try to ride in on the skirts of another. There are some so foolish as to invite this.

Why do you not stop trying to get things, trying to learn how to get power, place? Why do you not come away from the man whose breath is in his nostrils?... you who read this, and go within and hear the laughter of God, and know that it does not matter that the things which gave you great concern are all swept away into the dump heap.

The sooner you learn this the sooner you will see they have no value. And one time, when you take away their value, they are possible of attainment to you profess to be a follower of the Master. If you in any way believe this, you will begin to listen for the Laughter of God through your whole being, and will know that the Laughter of God sets you free from the snarling discontent of the Tower of Babel in which you have been living.

Presently, as you listen for this Laughter, you will hear it, and gradually you will begin laughing billows of laughter, silently-audible laughter that will shatter one limitation after another; Laughter filled with the divine Indifference which knows that the Universe is filled with God and only God, and to recognize this will cause this laughter to flow into expression and shatter the belief in sin, sickness, and death.

And when this belief is shattered in you, you will know why there can be naught but laughter in the kingdom of heaven. What good of words or arguments? What in human sense is a lecture worth on the subject of laughter, as compared to one glorious sudden peal of joy released by a God soul and picked up by all those in hearing distance?

And gradually as you learn of the Laughter of God and join in with the glory of the sons of the living God, then you will laugh at yourself. You will perhaps go back and laugh all the mistakes and faults and limitations out of existence. You will stand with your glorious feet on the mountain-tops of Self-Revelation laughing at your universe and with your universe, and laughing in words it is wonderful, it is wonderful, it is wonderful.

Let the filthy be filthy still some may read into the laughter of God a belief in carelessness and indifference, and some consecrated souls may rail tear their hair and say that it is encouraging license and making nothing of sin, in order that one may indulge in sin and so on and for them this message is not. He that hath ears shall hear what the scripture saith unto the churches, and only he that hath a single eye is through with trying to twist meanings to suit personal ends.

From The Laughter of God

By Walter Lanyon

THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS

Dougmac — Thur, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:01 GMT

Dont you know that you have the power to forgive sins...
Does one realize that as long as he sees a World that needs saved he does not see himself as saved and keeps Christ in bondage.. Forgive yourself the sins you think you perceive in others.. It starts in you first to know salvation in its fullest so you can offer it to the World and set Christ free..
Thats the only way he can be seen in the Earth so it can be on Earth as it is in Heaven within you and offered to a forgiven World.. All the World is forgiven through your eyes today as you now see with the sight of Christ..We are the means God has appointed for the salvation of the World..
Lets all move towards the final judgment of peace through forgiveness and release all guilt so the Son can be seen in all the Earth.. We are the saviors..

A MAD CHATTER'S pipedream?

Ronflyer — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:51 GMT

I trust ...even in our 'chatter' here.... we are most thankful that our lives are given back to us...that our lips convey the true-ing poetry of God... we speak with "the tongues of those who are taught"

That this poetry released in us... faithful stewards in ABBA's household/HEARThold... of faith prophetically releases invitation.... imagination...interpretation.... bearing the fruit of glad obedience to ABBA Who resolves and heals...transfigures the residues of all former aches.... delivering us into fidelity and assurance.... all yokes of bondage struck off.... no more rage and alienation... just sweet obedience engendering the exponential excellencies of NEW LIFE.

So, here we are in the crisis/crucible of human personhood.... how are we to be overcomers in the immediacy of the mundane daily concourse without ivory towering ourselves in abstract escapism or cloistering ourselves in host of condoms promising non-contagion?

Let alone begin to imagine the shimmering promise of NEW EARTH/NEW HEAVEN people prophetically and palpably being the timely poems/poets of Isaiah 50 proclaiming the PROMISED LAND of redeemed human personhood, human prospect, and human possibility?

Just maybe we are easily conned out of inheritances of redemption here and now...talked out of the whole enchilada of earthly existence...God and man sat down at table together even in this unlikely, unseemly, uncomely WILDerness terrible terrarium... talked out of Self/self .... robbed of power, courage, energy...freedom.

Does faith require us to emasculate/destroy selfhood...human personhood? What about the redeemed/restored FAITHFUL SELF mustard-seed-leveraging mountains of unbelief? Or are so easily reduced into some ideological religious realm of selective sterility?

Water into wine.....wine of DELIVERANCE..... GOOD NEWS providing us the Divinely-novel FREEVOLUTION of knowing the AMAZING GRACE of self freshly offered and freshly received....

This is WITNESSing WONDERFUL LOVE of GOD.... knowing the reality of being loved and reloved infinitely/unconditionally... treasured as the PROMISED LAND.... trusted ...called for ...and gifted with the VERY ORGANS OF CHRIST LIFE.... freed for Divine/human life.

I truly believe in transformed humanness.... and see no point in trying to wish it away....disparage any dream that it is in irrevocable development/manifestation.... the alternative is just a pointless prolongation in exile... malnourished by the chirps and mutterings of UNimaginative flatlining hacks of defeat.... trying to persude others that it is our duty and responsibility to remain alienated...weary...isolated, and dysfunctional in dystopia.

"Persons in such circumstances of diminishment, where the sounds of possibility are silenced, have little will or zeal for the vocation of God's trusted creatures."

Refusing to have my mellow harshed........shalom,Ron