jufa
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THINK ON THIS All answers are before the question. If this was not true, how could an answer ever be realized. The true answer to anything is complete, but because man is a recycling human intellect which adapt to the times, space, distance and matter within his material mind, which cause him to believe in physical evolution, he cannot realize the past, the now, and the future is contained in the eternal now of the infinity of now. A physical evolution never changes in it base of "a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood. A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren," because what has been is, and is is always now. So there can never be answer of completeness in the world of man, because in believing he is looking back by memory, he is only stirring up that which is, and is alive in his mentality of what he is, learned, and remains today because today he is that new born baby, that adolescent, they young child, and the mature adult, for that is the evolution of him today. Man never recalls the past, for the past is what he is in consciousness of thought today.
What we know is that which our forefathers implanted into our psyche. And no religion, philosophy, or Christ figure has changed the rudiments of possessive selfishness of this peaceful and violent earth man is a continuum of, because man thinks he is something more than that which has been implanted within him, and much more than the dirt he has no choice in returning to. But if man would be honest with himself, he will admit it is the dead past and future he must stop believing he can relive, or step off into, because they close the door to his living in the eternality of the infinity of now. How, because to be cognizant of where he is, man must understand where he is not. No man is of yesterday nor tomorrow, for these event are of him now, for they are alive in his mind now. The entire events of yesterday, if not lived in the completeness of now, are fragmented episodes of the time, space, distance and matter alive in his world of today by the evolution of incomplete advancement. Tomorrow has not even been birthed except in mind, and therefore is not of this world today.
So memories are the life stretching force which resurrect not feelings of the dead past, but feelings that live in the pains and pleasures of today. To believe one is remembering does not activate memories, it is a false vision of the how, what, when, where, why, and who the event is affecting now, and what avenue dealing with objective pain and subjective pleasure one must take in order to deal with those conditions, situations, and circumstances now. Yesterday is alive today. Yesterday cannot be remembered, it can only be lived, and lived only if it has been experienced, not read, or believed because "they say" this is.
In the Consciousness of Pure Mind, the *I* which has overcome the world, there is no obstacles of yesterday, nor tomorrow which can "hinder thee." All that is, or can ever be is the continuum of the One Life expressing Itself now. [You're only as good as those you come up against]
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When men begin to descend into deeper contemplation which moves into intuitive mental ism, they reach a barrier that is the limitation of humanity were no amount of transcendental rising in the human realm will reveal who God nor Christ is to any man. This is the reason why the question What is God or Christ is always prominent in the minds of men who seek dark avenues they believe, but do not know, will allow them first, then others secondly to know "I can of mine own self do nothing, the Father within, he doeth the work."
So in their approach to these dark avenues they hope are revealing, they eventually ask themselves what have I done to cause my birth, or gave me power of conscious awareness? Or what have I done that is the cause of my being able to respond to thought, whether intuitive, transcendental, psychologically, or physiological? What is it that I have done to give me life, or cause me to deny, or accept there is a power greater than I which I cannot even begin to fathom? In one is not in denial, there is only one conclusion to be had for them, and it is I am not the cause of anything concerning my life, and therefore, the reality of me is I can have no effect upon my life except for one exception: "If I be lifted up from the earth [not if I life myself up from the earth] I will draw all men unto me."
If one is truly honest with themselves and acknowledge I am not the cause of me, thus not the cause of my ability to do anything, one can only realize in earnest conclusion Truth Has Nothing to Do With Them, for Truth deal only with the *I* which is the Cause/Effect of everything that is of creation, and in truth, *I* is in the Father, and the Father is in the *I* because they are One and the Same. "My people shall die for lack of knowledge." The HEALING PRINCIPLE OF LIFE IS giving ones self unconditionally to the Cause/Effect of the Source of life in the individual conscious of men without exception, for when one gives of them self unconditionally, there can be no greed, no animosity, no eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth mentality. There can only be a following of "But I say unto you" obedience. There are no secrets in Spirit. The only secret men find upon themselves is they are constantly lacking knowledge of knowing how to transcend from one position within themselves of understanding to the wisdom of discernment. This lack of knowledge will never allow any man to comprehend what the transitional experience is. Man cannot know because birth, death, and living the expand between the two can only be found upon the level the human mind is on. And there is no denying man is on the level of good and evil. To find God, one must find them self. When one finds him/herself they will realize they have lived lost in the forest of their own making of concepts, theories, ideas, dreams, conclusions, science, and all religious doctrines. This means when one finds them self they can never have an inkling of what, who, when, where, and why anything can ever exist in a thought which challenges, or denies that all is the Substance and Essence of "the law of the Spirit of life."
In the belief man is Becoming, the mind cries, O that I knew where I might find Him. ------ But how can one find Him if the past does not exist? And how did the past exist if God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow?
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All answers are before the question. If this was not true how could an answer ever be realized. The true answer to anything is complete, but because man is a recycling human intellect which adapt to the times, space, distance and matter within his material mind, which causes him to believe in a physical evolution, he cannot realize the past, the now, and the future is contained in the eternal now of the infinity of now.
It is the ignorance of man that he goes looking for an answer to questions about himself in the words of other men, as if the intellectual interpretations of another man can stand within the seeker's consciousness and come to life so as to declare "this is the truth of you."
Intellectual thought is always thought arising from analysis of belief that the interpreting "I" moves between two points of awareness, whether believed to be qualitative or quantitative dualities. This, the divided, ever-moving nature of the human mind/intellect should be all the proof man needs to realize that an answer to the question "who or what or how or where or when am I" can never be discovered in the fragmented, ever-changing environment of the intellect's credo: "I think, therefore I am."
The wisdom of "be still and know that I am God" is the wisdom that ends the belief that by sharing stories of our self-analysis that we can discover the "truth" of ourselves. "Ask and ye shall receive" is not wisdom of spirit that refers to asking those who believe that Self Knowledge is something to be gathered from ideas about self; rather, it is wisdom that speaks to the truth of of the words presented in the above quote: "All answers are before the question."
Asking Oneself about oneself and being still so that the answer will come in the appointed hour is the Way of Self Realization, of thinking not of this and that, but of Thinking (only) on This.
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""It is the ignorance of man that he goes looking for an answer to questions about himself in the words of other men, as if the intellectual interpretations of another man can stand within the seeker's consciousness and come to life so as to declare "this is the truth of you.""""
so you are saying then that reading the words of someone like Jesus or Emerson or Theresa of Avila mean that we are ignorant??? If Jesus was our pattern, His way of life and nature how would be able deem it so if we did not "peek" at His words...only use His actions maybe!!! Tell me MA, did you never glean any truth from what someone else has said....never ever?? I truly believe that the universe/Source/Creator the divinity within uses whatever whomever whenever to bring us into remembrance....my own remembrance started or was quickened by the words of someone else....made me go...hmmmm!!! Again, i realize that you have expressed your truth, which is neither right nor wrong, it is just YOUR truth....keeping that in mind i have respectfully asked these questions of you. I dont want a debate, you dont even have to answer, perhaps I was just thinking out loud as you do using WORDS.....LOL
Peace MA....
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summerland, what was said by me was "as if the intellectual interpretations of another man cab stand within the seeker's consciousness and come to life so as to declare "this is the truth of you."
The words of Jesus did not come from his intellect of belief. At no time did Jesus offer up his intellectual interpretations of the Father; always, his words came from Spirit, from the mouth of God, in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. Jesus stood firm in the invisibility of the Christ and at no time did he take a thought of God so as to make him a human mind of feeling intellect.
Words spoken from the invisibility of spirit can touch the intellect so as to silence its vanity, for the intellect is an effect of the invisible cause of spirit. The reverse can never happen for the same reason. An effect cannot touch its cause; always, it must be the cause that affects the effect. This means that if it is the effect of the intellect of Joanne touching the effect of the intellect of Sam interpreting the will and intent of God, the Spirit of the Christ within is not being quickened. What is happening is that the intellect of both remain within the bubble of the Son of man's recycling beliefs, hindering the passage of Spirit's flow of "remembrance" touching.
Whenever, however or wherever the intellect roams looking for the light, the Light of Spirit waits patiently for its fatigue.
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""Jesus stood firm in the invisibility of the Christ and at no time did he take a thought of God so as to make him a human mind of feeling intellect.
what was he thinking when he sweat blood in the garden....
Pam, i thank you for taking the time to respond to me in your post....eventho i had to read it a few times to understand what you were saying....and i am still not sure of your point...and frankly, i thought your first post said it didnt matter if anyone else tries to make a point of truth, because words unless uttered by spirit are pointless...and then i guess i dont know how to tell when someone is speaking words from spirit, except when they resonate within me....
in my confusion, i will not attempt to beleager(sp) this...
sorry for not making too much sense myself...
know that i love you, and appreciate all your posts here...
namaste
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Jesus never took thought of the Father and stood firm on his platform of Pure Thought Awareness during his ministry "in the world, but not of the world", but he was subjected, just as you and I are subjected, to the first and last condition placed upon the awareness of man, the idea of "self." It was this last condition of the idea of "self" that was being purged from the consciousness of Jesus; this was the sweating of his blood in the garden; his last stand before the Father in Heaven, wherein no thought of self could enter.
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"so you are saying then that reading the words of someone like Jesus. . .mean that we are ignorant???"
Some one here please tell me what words did Jesus write or say that has not been challenged and has become an issue for defiance? It is a proven point of order that what is written in the Scriptures are words written years after the death of Jesus, and by men who betrayed Him either for money, or because of fear of being crucified themselves.
Moreover, why is it that men will accept a particular Scripture to prove a point, by ignore ignore other Scripture which also was written by a man such as:
"Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils, for wherein is he to be accounted of?"
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"what was he thinking when he sweat blood in the garden...."
If anyone here can answer the above question, then they can tell what Jesus is thinking today. Someone tell me what Jesus was thinking of me today Please! [You're only as good as those you come up against]
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Words written by Movingalways. Entitled "The Blood of Christ - Being Transformed by the Breaking of Your Heart."
This experience of the agony of the depth of this awareness of having to loose every human attachment on the earth realm was demonstrated by Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. "My soul is deeply grieved to the point of death; remain with me and keep watch with Me", he counsel led his disciples, knowing that soon, he would be leaving them in flesh and blood, that they would be distressed in this leaving, believing themselves to be forsaken. In this moment, the thought of their broken human (flesh) heart broke what remained of his human (flesh) heart. Would that he could stay and comfort them, would that he could he stay and comfort himself, he would - but he knew he could not. "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup (of total death to my humanism) pass from me; not as I will, but as Thy wilt."
Three times Jesus discovered his disciples asleep, unable to bear the breaking of their hearts at the leaving of their Master, three times Jesus fell on his knees to experience the breaking of their hearts wholeheartedly upon his Being. Only through the intensity of his grief at having to have his human heart broken completely, to have to surrender every human thought of affection, of love, of separation-healing, was he able to break the bonds of the heart of the Son of Man so as to endure the final nail on the cross of his flesh and blood mind.
Jesus, the Son of Man brought the message of death to human love, and in the bringing of the message of death so that Infinite Spirit Life may BE, he was fully aware of the agony of the experience of this message. This agony is the blood of Christ, the tears of the sweat of compassion flowing from every pore and cell in his flesh body; the flesh body that understands, experientially, the cost of this sacrifice that is human companionship, that is brotherly love. The sacrifice that must eventually make by all, one Soul at a time.
The sword Christ brings divides mother from son, father from daughter, friend from friend. Our human hearts break again and again as that sword of Christ is wielded against our flesh attachments; "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me." Only the truly broken-hearted who understand the purpose of the broken heart can say these words as Jesus said these words in the Garden of the Death of His Human Heart. This experience of the agony of the depth of this awareness of having to loose every human attachment on the earth realm was demonstrated by Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. "My soul is deeply grieved to the point of death; remain with me and keep watch with Me", he counselled his disciples, knowing that soon, he would be leaving them in flesh and blood, that they would be distressed in this leaving, believing themselves to be forsaken. In this moment, the thought of their broken human (flesh) heart broke what remained of his human (flesh) heart. Would that he could stay and comfort them, would that he could he stay and comfort himself, he would - but he knew he could not. "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup (of total death to my humanism) pass from me; not as I will, but as Thy wilt."
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"""It is a proven point of order that what is written in the Scriptures are words written years after the death of Jesus, and by men who betrayed Him either for money, or because of fear of being crucified themselves.
Moreover, why is it that men will accept a particular Scripture to prove a point, by ignore ignore other Scripture which also was written by a man....""
you say this to me, and yet you use jesus's words in scripture in your very own post...
Jufa and Pam....I am at a different place obviously than you two, please forgive me for not understanding exactly what you are both trying to say....maybe someday...but not this day...
love and peace to you both,
jonna
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you say this to me, and yet you use jesus's words in scripture in your very own post...
Moreover, why is it that men will accept a particular Scripture to prove a point, but ignore other Scripture which also was written by a man....""
What words have I used of Jesus' to prove a point? I have used words written by a man to show you you must become responsible to "Christ in you the hope of glory" for your own salvation, for it is Christ, and Christ alone who set the example for you to follow. Not me, nor Pam, nor any other man. Who are you following, the Spirit of Christ, or the spirit of man's interpreted intellect?
You can use whatever excuse you want to say and defy my words, but in the end, you must and will bear your own cross, and stand alone before your God, not mine.
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''You can use whatever excuse you want to say and defy my words, but in the end, you must and will bear your own cross, and stand alone before your God, not mine.''
i am not defying your words....i dont consider you my authority....AND most important MY GOD IS YOUR GOD...
this is the end of this conversation between us....
i offered my love, you offered a harsh statement....
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What Luke Heard....in his slumber in the fog that night
Quote: 42Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 44And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Jesus said hey Father Can I get out of this part...the suffering and dying thing?
And the MESSAGE was Sent by and Angel.....so it was undeniable.....so Jesus said in the place so high Only the Father Knoweth It is Truth....He said...Ok Then Long As You Are With Me
thx Angels Ok Then....
I AM WITH YOU
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jonna....I don't know if you will be back to this page but if I might share a thought or two with you....
I believe that we, who are awaiting awakening....as we wake up to this new land we don't realize that we have to let go of every concept of the Father who was formally known to us as God...Jesus...Lord....to behold the Real...now I can't tell you what that is...but to me it's the deep invisible joy we feel with overflowing pure awareness in worship....but we've only touched a piece of that....a down payment was given to us here in this realm...so As we move more into our Christ-Hood...our Seat in Heavenly Places...we may pass through the eye of the camel....where everything is laid down...for us we are strongly attached to things in this realm...children, grandchildren, love ones, responsibilities...etc....there is a blankness here in the NOW that I can't pull answers from the memories of my past...or predict a future, even a good one...it is coming from within....a Peace that is beyond these letters...
maybe it is time to let go of our idols.....even those we love so dear....
no more fear
only grace
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Shonda , you said :
as we wake up to this new land we don't realize that we have to let go of every concept of the Father ....... to me it's the deep invisible joy we feel with overflowing pure awareness in worship...
My reply :
O Holy
Hallelujah!!
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To all who this thread had led to confusion allow me to attempt to walk you down the path of my vision. Allow me to begin in this manner. Baptism has been revealed to me to be the event when one has come to a point in their mind where they will no longer be influenced nor followers of the human mind, ego, or 'id', because they have arrived at a place where their beliefs in the senses of humanism can no longer be influential in their being. Why? Because they have transcended their human mind by keeping it stayed upon the law which govern and principle the Spirit of life. These individuals have transcended the human mentality by realizing the human mentality is not real. To be sure, people, whether of corporate, secular, or spiritual minds have been attempting to transcend the human mind for as long as humanism took form as a mirage take forms to those in a dry place in need of water to live. What these individual realized was to transcend means simply to stop thinking and doing whatever it is that kept them bound to their split personalities, and "go and sin no more." When Jesus step off into the Spirit after His baptism, Spirit led Him up into the wilderness of His mind where all human thoughts roam to and fro freely because no one goes into this place to challenge. But Jesus did. And He did because He was obedient to "The Word of His Power," and was able to speak The Word and nullify any human event of temptation which confronted Him because He has overcame the human world. After nullifying the mirage of the illusions the mind projected to be real in the upper rooms of His thoughts, imagination, mind, conscious, and consciousness, Jesus descended into the lower regions of His mind "filled with the power of the Spirit" knowing "For this purpose I came into the world." That purpose is the purpose of all mankind. It is to become anointed by "God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. . .to preach good tidings unto the meek, to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord." From the moment Jesus came down from the mountain "filled with the Spirit," He had transcended the mentalism of the world. You and I represent Jesus today. {You didn't know you are the living Jesus today did you? You don't remember do you, it was you who said to the Father: "Father, I'll go down and redeem mankind."? But when you arrived here you became overwhelmed by the temptations of the world, and now you are awaiting for someone to come and redeem you from yourself}
For this purpose we came into the world. This is why we are the elect of God. We are predestined by our Promised Covenant with the Father while we were yet in the invisible to show ourselves as an example to all those who we touch and who touch us. If we keep our minds stayed on Him, we can nullify in our human bodies and minds every thoughts of disease and confusion from our bloodline, blood, and all the suffering and struggles in all dimensions, realms, and spheres of the flesh, and walk out of this world with the ascended body of Jesus.
The Spirit of the Lord is upon and within us. And "where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." It is the Spirit of the Christ which transforms our minds, and will show each man how to "work out his own salvation with fear and trembling." If a man is true and obedient to his destined purpose, Christ in them will show them the Will of the Father, and continuously let them know "I will never leave thee nor forsake thee," for it is God in Me which is the foundation upon which I stand, and I live, and move, and have My being knowing "It is God which worketh in me both to will and to do of his good pleasures." [You're only as good as those you come up against]
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Jufa...ohhh YESSSSS, we of the Spirit DO have a Sacred Mission to fulfill !! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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morning Jufa........ah......good .....
allow me to attempt to walk you down the path of my vision.
this was a good word.......to which i concur...
it sounds sooooooo much better when we speak of things from our own path.......rather than the things from others books........
there is no other PATH than that of JESUS CHRIST......for he said "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE"
When it is recognized by self that i am indeed Jesus and Christ.......i can speak of no other PATH than the TRUTH of the one that I AM.....and will not do otherwise if expecting LIFE........
a problem will always arrive when that path says......it is you having a dream of you about you before you was you......or any other wording that places ME on one PATH telling YOU about YOUR path......
LIFE is only found in the TRUTH of MY PATH.....
it is good to speak from and share from under our own TREE.......
once more real good word.....
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Jonna, another view of love, to be accepted or rejected. 
In the Father, there is no love, for the Father IS every thought of the Father. He has no need for love, for He is All That He Is. Does the Father hate Himself so that he must then love Himself? Does the Father fear Himself so that he must then overcome his fear of Himself? No, it is only in the human mind that the dual thought "love and hate/fear" is given life.
The love mentality that is the human consciousness of belief in being separate from Father Consciousness is so deeply ingrained that when the Spirit of Christ declares that the "love/hate" dualism be dissolved so that the spirit of man can be restored to his original pure spirit nature, the soul cries out in horror, for it cannot imagine living without its dual worlds of "needing to be loved."
I and the Father are One. One Infinite Thought of I AM. The One Omnipresent Reality. There is no love to be found anywhere in the Mind of God, for there is no gap that needs closing, there is no crack that needs filling, there is no brokenness that needs mending, there is no condition that needs healing. God is whole, complete, perfect and pure in every moment of being God. As is the Son, who is equal to His Father in wholeness, in completeness, in perfection and in purity, in thinking in the infinity of now "let there be, and there was."
Because of the depth of the longstanding belief in a loving (hating) God, it is to this deep place of love-hate/fear-entrenchment that the sword of Christ wields its most stinging blow. What is the nature of this sting? It is the prick upon the conscience that says, to those who have made themselves still enough to hear, that in the Spirit of the Father and in the Spirit of the Son, the need for love is a lie.
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good morning movingalways....
Because of the depth of the longstanding belief in a loving (hating) God, it is to this deep place of love-hate/fear-entrenchment that the sword of Christ wields its most stinging blow. What is the nature of this sting? It is the prick upon the conscience that says, to those who have made themselves still enough to hear, that in the Spirit of the Father and in the Spirit of the Son, the need for love is a lie.
the need for love is a lie.
this thought one could change by replacing God for the word love.....
the need for God is a lie!
i suspect it is not God or love that is the lie but rather NEED.......
Ph.4:19 "my God shall supply all your need.."
to the NEEDY their NEED is not a lie.....to the supplier of NEED that which is supplied is not a LIE.....
i might suggest that the REAL LIE is that i have NEED and there is no supply.....or i have supply and see no need........
unto those to whom much is given much is required.......
the law of supply and demand ...LOVE
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good morning movingalways....
Good afternoon windrider
Quote: movingalways: the need for love is a lie.
this thought one could change by replacing God for the word love....
Who or what is doing the replacing of words in this post? It is the intellect of windrider, formatting and reformatting his idea of God into another idea and another idea and another idea ....
the need for God is a lie!
i suspect it is not God or love that is the lie but rather NEED.......
Ph.4:19 "my God shall supply all your need.."
"my God" - Does this not means you are the God of you? And being the God of you, are you not then the supplier of all your need? Whether it is by the duplication/scattering of you into symbols, words and pictures or whether it is the Pure Awareness of You, the I AM of you?
to the NEEDY their NEED is not a lie.....to the supplier of NEED that which is supplied is not a LIE.....
i might suggest that the REAL LIE is that i have NEED and there is no supply.....or i have supply and see no need........
unto those to whom much is given much is required.......
Who is interpreting the vision of the needy, the need, the supply, the supplier, the condition of requirement? You.
the law of supply and demand ...LOVE
Who establishes the law? You.
You are the imagined life of you - every word, every symbol, every picture, every law - every manifested thought is you imagining you into existence.
Tell me though, when your subjective-objective imagination is stilled, when there are no words or symbol or pictures or thoughts alive in your awareness, where then is your "God" that can be rearranged to suit the need of the moment? Where then is "the law of supply and demand?", where then is "love?" Should you decide to answer these questions concerning the you of you that is obedient to the directive of you to "be still and know that I am God", a reminder: using the imagination is not allowed! 
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""The Spirit of the Lord is upon and within us. And "where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." It is the Spirit of the Christ which transforms our minds, and will show each man how to "work out his own salvation with fear and trembling." If a man is true and obedient to his destined purpose, Christ in them will show them the Will of the Father, and continuously let them know "I will never leave thee nor forsake thee," for it is God in Me which is the foundation upon which I stand, and I live, and move, and have My being knowing "It is God which worketh in me both to will and to do of his good pleasures."""" jufa....i know this to be true...thank you for reiterating it... peace |
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good morning ma.....
Tell me though, when your subjective-objective
imagination is stilled, when there are no words or symbol or pictures or thoughts alive in your awareness, where then is your "God" that can be rearranged to suit the need of the moment? Where then is "the law of supply and demand?", where then is "love?" Should you decide to answer these questions concerning the you of you that is obedient to the directive of you to "be still and know that I am God", a reminder: using the imagination is not allowed!
it is unreasonable to believe that in the natural when a man sleeps all events cease to exist......
so it is in the spiritual as well.......
that which IS.... does not require the mirror nor the offer-er of the image of reflection to get the job done.......
yet both the mirror and the image reflected into the mirror require assistance.......
that assistance is not to JUST be but to become MORE.......
when one speaks of you becoming you about you for you by you etc.......it becomes evident that things are not as they are thought to be YET....
God is no fool.....as some suggest making a creation that is useless.........and ineffectual.....
God is no egotistic arrogant idiot who thinks him self to be so important that if he is silent all is gone.......
it system is so designed that if he is silent in one another shouts forth......
i spoke to you of the NEED and you spoke to me of MY GOD.....
it appears from my perspective that you remain in the center......and running the show......
and believe that if YOU will but think as I then all will be well......and all this with so much crying the fox is in the chicken pen.....
i do not subscribe to the THOUGHT that i am ONLY MY GOD........
i find this THOUGHT......to be a thought that is more influenced by the corporate mind than the teachings of God......
The God of the Bible takes upon himself many NAMES.......
in the reflection of these NAMES is the source of giving for the NEEDY.........
from your words i see the ILLUSION speaking of the ILLUSION.....
a thought of the thought attempting to be YOU.....
and from my perspective there is no god called you..........
there is only ONE GOD........and he is I AM BECOMING I AM......
and in every state of being that is becoming the one becoming requires and has a need.......
and I SHALL SUPPLY YOUR NEED......according to my riches in glory.......
YOU is all those that are not I AM......they are many........
it is for them that i came......
if it is that YOU does not require my help......then i did not come for you.......but for a people that is mine and not yours.......
enough of telling me who i am.......tell me who you are......
and watch things change......as they BECOME BECOMING......
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wr, your human imagination is what you have presented to me for you speak of your perspective and what you think and what you believe about God and about "movingalways."
Is this the "becoming" you speak of that you desire to be the "me" of my telling to you of who I am? That I am to release my imagination and allow it to wander wherever it takes me and present this wandering as "the truth of me" or "the truth of God?"
Your God of becoming, of I think, therefore I am, is not my God of becoming, of I think, therefore I am. I cannot tell you who I am, for I know not who I am. I can tell you that I am of faith, that I am of grace, that I am of hope, that I am of the Unspeakable Light. Faith, hope, grace, light - words of invisible spirit support coming through the mind, but not of the mind or for the mind.
God is no fool.....as some suggest making a creation that is useless.........and ineffectual.....
God is no egotistic arrogant idiot who thinks him self to be so important that if he is silent all is gone.......
it system is so designed that if he is silent in one another shouts forth......
Are these God's statements about the truth of His Nature, or are they beliefs of wind riders about the nature of God?
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Knock - Knock. Opened the door and stuck my head in and heard the exchange between you windrider and movingalways. Would like to offer what I know concerning something that may be nothing to the both of you. Want you both to know I take no sides to what either of you are saying, just want to say: It is impossible for anyone to define who they are unless they can define every thought which has attached itself to the dust which took form to shape their outer covering. Man is not a person of flesh and bone with a soul that is apart from the reality of the breath (Spirit) of life which made him a living soul. Neither is man apart from the Word of Spirit's intent, will, purpose, and manifestation within the invisibility of the Godhead, for there is only One God expressing Himself as the whole, complete, pure, and perfect movement of the thoughts which can express nothing else by His whole, complete, pure, and perfect Nature of all He is expressing Himself as Now. God is all. One can accept this or reject it, but the reality of all things man is aware of, inclusive of himself, is that there is Something which made man aware within himself, and each and every individual living, dead, and unborn, that says when he will be allowed entrance into this realm to live within that awareness. And there is Something which will also say when he will end his journey here, whether he is high/low spiritually, intellectually, or corporal.
God is all. There is nothing to become within the infinity of God, for what can anything become but what it is, and that is God. Nothing can be changed or altered or become anything that is not, because God did not create that which is not necessary. All that is, is, and cannot become anything more than what it already is.If, therefore, there is a search for anything, it is not a search to be reunited with That which is impossible to be separated from. Instead, it is for man to regain his true vision of being. This can only come to pass by the movement of "the law of the Spirit of life" which Spirit represents "Christ in you the hope of glory" here, now, and eternally moment to moment to moment.
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good morning jufa and ma......good thoughts j......and be assured i see no side taken for it is in fact that i have no side to be taken......
you said:
There is nothing to become within the infinity of God, for what can anything become but what it is, and that is God.
this is certainly an accurate statement.....but it is one that is not consistent with the MORE of all that IS.....
it is a supposition to believe that those things that are seen are in fact not real.......
what i see is that this journey is not about making of duality ONE by the removal of the other.....but by the joining of the two AS one and producing always a new ONE
what i understand is that duality has been made lesser....it has become the harlot and the whoremonger
i also understand that these both can and do become VIRGIN and made NEW......
this is the journey.....
the first begotten of these two VIRGINS....are new/alive each day.......
and each day they die/rest
the first begotten is not of the world having ONLY existence but has also LIFE.....a new birthing.....
not just LIFE....and not just EXISTENCE.....but a first begotten full of EXISTENCE and LIVE.....Son of Man and Son of God
not only a SON/image and steady stream of light but a SON that has become ONE with the FATHER........who PULSATES LIGHT.....
there are those who walk amongst us that desire to become LIGHT.....not understanding that it is LIGHT that is streaming......that it is never cut from its source that is LOCKED unable to DIE....and change......it is the LIGHT of EXISTENCE......and produces all things of EXISTENCE.......
it is these walking amongst us......that find their POWER in the LIGHT.......but it is this LIGHT that is created....and is as the ways of all things created and not yet FORMED as Adam is being let to become
Ez.28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;every precious stone was thy covering...........in the day that thou wast created.
Ez.28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity (to deal unjustly) was found in thee.
it was Adam and his wife who were BEGUILED (WHOLLY SEDUCED) that God covered in LIGHT/skin/uwr.......the skin of the light of existence.......and Jesus spoke of this when he said I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.......
he was the results of that GENEALOGY of BEGETS.......who were covered in SKIN/uwr/light and OF THE WORLD.....
There is another......and he is LET to be FORMED.....
he is I AM becoming I AM........
full of EXISTENTIAL CONTINUOUS LIGHT and the LIGHT that PULSATES with LIFE/DEATH(rest)
the pulsating light DIES DAILY and RESURRECTS DAILY.......
always cut off from that which is OLD and made NEW and virgin.....FORMING MAN
into a more beautiful creation than the one created in the garden of God........
for this purpose God sent man away from the garden of God......into the east/future......
to always LET him become what he shall become........
as long as only one half is proclaimed to be the WHOLE.......i see the young....talking... and offer my knee.....
yes God is ALL but who amongst us wants to be a cucumber in the garden of God....or even as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers Is. 1:8
this is a journey of MORE....more abundant LIFE......
it is I AM becoming I AM over and over and over.....transforming and transfiguring ...showing always that I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.......
drawing all men to ME as I show them that death is but a shadow and its reality is but rest.......and to no longer fear INIQUITY/to deal unjust ......but "LET THERE BE LIGHT" ......
for the "JUST LIVE BY FAITH".......
...NEVERTHELESS WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMETH, SHALL HE FIND FAITH UPON THE EARTH?
NOW FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN
some believe that the ALL is sufficient and that FAITH for NEW is no longer required......and that we are to go BACK instead of FORWARD....
for this cause there is NO REMEMBERING of things PAST......for some desire to supplant the plan of God ......and retain that which was.... the INIQUITY of the UNJUST dealings........ FOR POWER.....
for this POWER men seek to bypass the pulsating light for the continuous light.......and pass down information ...in the form of reincarnation........passing memory to memory....kind after kind.......AND books without end.....
as long as men seek the PAST they will get it......and what FAITH does it require to flip the switch that worked yesterday......
that which is PASSED is PAST......
BEHOLD I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW....
it is us/elohim/god who make man in our image......so us/elohim created him
it is us/elohim/god and us/Yhwh/Lord who form man
shall we remain elohim or become yhwh.....
together we take the created light and form the darkness/light
if we remain elohim alone we will fall as lightening to the earth.......
if we partner with YHWH we will rise off the earth into all the MORE that LIFE has to offer
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what i see is that this journey is not about making of duality ONE by the removal of the other.....but by the joining of the two AS one and producing always a new ONE
wr, unless you and I learned to count differently, does one not always precede two?
WHO is the ONE watching as if two?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PwRqIAK1tu8&feature=related
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Good day to you windrider! The difference between man comprehending the reality of who he is, what he is, where he is, why he is, and when he is, and not becoming is "I will." This is the sin the scriptures you presented say is the cause of man's dual belief, and split personality. Jesus verified the last step of realizing "thou art my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" could only come to pass with the totall surrendering of His will - "nonetheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." Men live in the fear of surrendering their will to the unknown God. But fear is not the cause why men will not surrender. Fear is only a shadow which keeps man from knowing the shadow of fear casted is only a proposition of defense for the universal human consciousness to maintain its influence of "son of man it is not possible to go into the invisible without your intellect, because I am the intellect, and you cannot go beyond me." The reality of this illusion is men do not believe it is their thoughts which keep them from shutting down what I think, what I believe, what I know, what I am, what I hope, what I want, desire, and what I will. Nor do me understand it is this belief which truly becomes the platform for the saying "as a man thinkest in his heart, so is he." And as a man continues to think in his heart, so he remains. There is no outside influence tempting anyone or dividing them. Only the self of man is the obstacle of fear which keeps him from surrendering his "I will." Life is a continuum of life. Life is a never-end-story of falling down and getting up. Falling down and getting up becomes man's strength, for this is his journey alone for learning, and his journey alone which, when taken heed to will make him know he, and he alone is responsible to move beyond the indoctrinations of the intellectual interpretations of the priest, ministers, teachers, and gurus instilled values handed down to them in the form of dominant superstitions. No one can gain the wisdom of life's relativity of Being in an earth lifetime. One can learn a physical trade and consumptive intellectual learning of things of the past in three score years, but only partially. Life's unconditional intent and purpose is not a learning, it is not a becoming because it is not a state of being to be accomplished. Why? because it cannot be a state of being when it is the Being making the statement. Individual responsibility is the foundation for ascending beyond ones own hindering self. It is a responsibility which is initiated when one sincerely and earnestly "come to himself" and realize life has placed in their being all that is necessary for them to walk this world on their own free and unafraid, without a "helpmeet" because God's structured principles and patterns of living is the true substance and essence of the world, the universe, and the man. Why does man need a "helpmeet" when he does not need help? All that is needed to dissolve man's lack of knowledge to this truth is to wake up. "Awake thou that sleepest, arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee life." Life is about life. Life is unconditional. All that is needed by any man to live, and grow, and achieve the momentum to ascend beyond the programming of the deterministic human mind is to comprehend nothing anyone does is without consequences. And to awake to the truth that all men come into this dimension to fulfill their purpose which has bound them in Spirit. Should any man neglect that purpose by second guessing God's will, and intent of creation, then they become the subject victim of their own self ignorance. The person who is to blame for his/her/their lack of knowledge is the one who refuse to find out for themselves the truth of their walk in this dimension. [You're only as good as those you come up against]
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good morning J and Ma.......
this is his journey alone for learning, and his journey alone which, when taken heed to will make him know he, and he alone is responsible to move beyond the indoctrinations of the intellectual interpretations of the priest, ministers, teachers, and gurus instilled values handed down to them in the form of dominant superstitions.
i agree
Individual responsibility is the foundation for ascending beyond ones own hindering self.
i call this self reliance (not as the world would suspect such a thing but in the fullness of the thought)
and earnestly "come to himself" and realize life has placed in their being all that is necessary for them to walk this world on their own free and unafraid, without a "help meet
i agree that this is the journey......of self as he comes to himself.......
BUT......i also see more.....that more is that SELF is the HELP MEET......
always has been and will always continue to be
helping I AM to become I AM.......
I AM (1) x help meet (another 1 ) = (1) I AM
the way of the world would be....
i am (1) + i am (1) + i am (1) = 3 (power of many)
as i've suspected not much difference in thought just presentation....
and he alone is responsible to move beyond the indoctrinations of the intellectual
this is exactly the reason that i reference waveform light and pulsating light.......
there MUST be a point when contact with past is broken.......no more need for a teacher/many books.......
this is my thought when i say thinking outside the box......the NJ........
it is exactly what i see when i see Cain and Abel....left alone (no help meet) the tiller will not kill LIFE/blood......and the keeper of life/blood will kill it......
it was Abel who killed himself and laid down in the field of consciousness for his brother/Cain...so that he/Cain would move.....
it was Cain who asked "am i my brothers keeper"....it was Abel who proved the answer to be no.......
"I AM MY BROTHER'S MOVER"
my first name is "swaddling", my last is "darkness", my middle "band of"
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Good morning wr
The wisdom books need never be picked up again, or the wisdom teacher visited for the thoughts that were planted in the mind to continue to sprout and bloom. This is how the torch of "how to become enlightened" guruship is passed on. The seeds of the human imagination of teacher #1 are planted into student #1 who becomes guru #2 who teaches student #2 who becomes guru #2, ad infinitum. A philosophy or teaching grows with every succeeding "pair", becoming simpler or more complex in its doctrine of "follow me and you will know the things of God."
You cannot be your brother's mover in purity, for your thoughts are an accumulation of the dual thought continuum of wind rider. A personal (I think, I see, I believe) philosophy presented as TRUTH will always serve to keep the moving human mind of the teacher/student moving, but this moving is not one of expansion beyond the original thought of separation of being of two opposing wills, rather, it is a moving within the bubble of the original separation thought. This is why there is a continuum of return into the human/flesh realm of the subjective-objective intellect of (following or pursuing) a belief system: "As a man thinkest in his heart, so is he. And as a man continues to think in his heart, so he remains."
Spirit is the only mover of thought according to the law you establish within you. Either you have established the law of grace within you, or you have established the law of belief in separation from grace within you. There are teachers of the law of grace, as there are teachers of the law of separation from grace. Which teacher of you you find to guide the student of you depends on which voice of which law is speaking to you the thought "follow me."
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| Quote: | it is exactly what i see when i see Cain and Abel....left alone (no help meet) the tiller will not kill LIFE/blood......and the keeper of life/blood will kill it......
it was Abel who killed himself and laid down in the field of consciousness for his brother/Cain...so that he/Cain would move.....
it was Cain who asked "am i my brothers keeper"....it was Abel who proved the answer to be no.......
"I AM MY BROTHER'S MOVER"
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================================================== ==== The Brothers Cain and Abel, as Adam and Eve are twins. It all begins with the dominating personality, which man has refused to believe is his objectiive/subjective personality "I Will." This is the structure which first presented itself in the leadership position of dominant self-righteous thought in the human world. It is the combined objective and subject twin disposition of Adam. The original Adam created in Gen.1:27 is male/female.. This is verified in the 5th chapter of Genesis. This unit was in harmony with all that was created and had dominion over everything God created.
But somewhere between the Spirit creation of Adam -male/female, and the physical man in Gen.2, something happened which supposedly separated this unit of one man. What was that something? It was the beginning of self deceit, the "I Will" selfishness which produced the first lie uttered by the man of "the dust of the ground.". You will take note that the first words spoken by the objective/subjective man was when his subjective female twin gender, whose was supposed to be his helpmeet in dressing the garden, took on a personality of her own. What was that personality. "I Will" eat of this garden and become as God, because "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north, I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High."
The first lie spoken by Adam was also his first human words? "this is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh." These words uttered by Adam were not true because Adam was not of his own, so how could that which he claimed to be "bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh" be of him when he was not of himself? It was with this statement being uttered Adam's personality split, and he became the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde so often written and spoke of today. With this statement being uttered, the result is a belief the twins became separated from self with one self dominating objectively, and the other self dominating subjectively. This is the rivalry. It is the objective I will always in odds with the subjective I will. This duality did not begin with Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel inherited it from Adam through his DNA genetic code which is really the structured thoughts of pride crystallized and perserved to be passed on through the thought of procreated intercourse. Intercourse, whether physically or verbally is the exchange of thoughts, and the blending of those thoughts is conceptualized human interpretations. This is why adultery and fornication are said to be a sin, for if all that you have to pass on is humanism, then the world lie of dualism has done more harm then good.
From the very beginning Adam produced the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde personalities in Cain and Abel. Neither personality is better than, or worse than the other for the both have equal dominating I Will traits. With Cain and Abel you have the end result of the dominating I Will mentality being unable to discern they are not of two bodies, but the One body "formed of the dust of the ground." And in this realization, this make Cain and Abel "thy brothers keepers." for each personality is dependent upon the one silver cord of life. To be thy brothers mover is the manipulation of selfish desires, and a mis-comprehension of Cain and Abel's offering to God. The offering of Cain was that of the dual personalities the earth produced of the man Adam from which he w as a product of in flesh. The offering of Abel was that given for Adam, Eve, Cain, and himself because of his Spirit discernment that "Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body thou has prepared for me, in burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. . .Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Jesus crucified the flesh man so that the new Spirit man of the new covenant could awake to the truth I am the male/female twin of my Father/Mother Spirit. Cain and Abel as you and I, and every man alive today had and have the opportunity to redeem mankind from the lie that flesh was needed to complete the Spirit, when it was Spirit which produced the Spirit male/female "before Abraham was I am." [You're only as good as those you come up against]
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good morning jufa......there you go again......every bodies wrong but me......
To be thy brothers mover is the manipulation of selfish desires, and a mis-comprehension of Cain and Abel's offering to God.
now of course this is also what everyone thinks i say.......so on it goes......
from my perspective i see you and MA always speaking about me me me....its all about me......
i say it is not......
there is a journey......it is I AM the way the truth and the life.......
to follow one must become this way this truth and this life......
and it is one that is NEVER about me........
it is the journey of the help meet.......
certainly one must become aware first......and i see this is where you and ma are presently situated...
he that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fullfilled
there is a help meet who is called friend.........
there is no greater born of woman and he that is the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.....
now there's an honor we will see many hands go up to receive
or of course this is all a natural conversation about a natural event in time gone by......
J and Ma i keep saying there is more to what you presently see....but i do not say you are wrong......
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