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This is another attempt by big business to keep the people of this world in more abject slavery and undoubtably that is going to be you and me, paying hugely bigger bills to the multinationals. We nonconformist Christians have had enough of the lies floating around as belief systems like global warming, the rapture, hell fire,evolution, creationism etc.Faith has nothing to do with beliefs, it is the substantiation of things not seen.Take for instance our power transmission we lose up to 80 per cent, but the Chinese by using Direct current only lose 4 per cent. Will big business modify what they are doing, I do not think so.Yes I know this world dreams on and on but all these things are like a watchman's cry in the middle of the night,stop giving this world any sense it is irrational......a dream gone terribly wrong....that only awakening can solve.
We have faith that God will preserve our body soul and spirit blameless until He comes, no doubt for many here He has already come, "but each in his own order." Beware of Preachers that try and scare you into heaven and politicians who try and scare the buck out of your pocket into the wallets of Multinationals.
Carbon Trading benefits big business at the expense of the little man.This is another invention of their tyranny along with the billions they bribe politicians with and all that legally, somehow it is legal to bribe a politician by calling it a gift.Hell fire and the Rapture have made squillions for unscrupulous Religions.
Everyone who receives this, please take a few minutes to view this very interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40.
Very soon, the World Leaders will sign a treaty in Copenhagen for an
Emissions Trading Scheme. Lord Christopher Monckton makes a very
sobering speech of what he believes will be the beginning of the total
collapse and freedom of society as we know it today and I know that what
he is saying is true. The sad fact is once this treaty is signed, there
is no backing out!
I have never believed that the claims of climate change were true.
There is evidence freely available to the public right now that the
earth's average temperature has actually decreased over the last 7 years
and that the Article Circle has actually grown size. But what is really
weird about this whole ETS is that regardless of what is done with taxes
and the world economy will not do anything about the amount of carbon
dioxide that is emitted into the atmosphere. So you have to wonder what
is really driving this whole scare tactic?
Did you know that the contribution from man to the Carbon Dioxide in the
atmosphere is 3% of the total 0.4% that makes up the air in the entire
world! There are many facts like these Al Gore does not share in his
video, An Inconvenient Truth. Another fact about Al Gore is that he has
made over $100Million just in speaking at seminars all over the world
and has invested heavily into carbon trading technology. He
was also challenged in 2007 by Lord Monckton on climate change, which he
"conveniently" refused. This man has also successfully prohibited Al
Gore's film to be shown in British schools because the British High
Court found in his favor that the content was critically flawed.
There are many web sites that go into great detail about the lies of
climate change; Google is your friend. I don't really mind if you don't
agree with me on this but please watch this video by clicking on this
link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40
and an in depth interview with Allan Jones here
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=4998.
When these things take place at least you can't say that you did not see
it coming.
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hey Z......this is an exciting time........i await the jesters fall..... no i anxiously await his change......
who would expect less than lies from liars......
and the world sleeps on.....
soon my brother soon.........
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It is said, "All it takes for evil to prevail is for good me to do nothing."
Speak out as to what you would desire.
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Zero, this year in this small town I've lived in for 21 1/2 years I NOTICED how COLD this past Spring and 1st half of the Summer were for the very first time in the whole time I've lived in this spot. Brrrr! I really had to wear 3 layers to keep from feeling chilled all across my shoulders!! And I said to myself, and others here in this town, "And you call THIS ' Global WARMING ' ?????!! " Sheeeeee......!
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The world we see reflects the inner hearts of mankind. The chaos IS"climate change." A topsy turvey sea of natural as unnatural. The authority of "man" over the natural slipping away, as man increasingly ceases to walk upright in his authority. No one can point the finger, least four more come pointing back at you. Don't tell me climate change is a falacy when I stand on the edges of a disintegrating shoreline of a village washing away into the sea, graves opening, bones floating: Multitudes in the valley of decision......soon...soon....soon.....
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one can bring hell wherever one goes......or remember that we ARE seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Those who see hell can only bring hell to others, those who are seated at the right hand of God have but good news of the Kingdom that is.
So seeing the bones: behold the strength of man, it is but like dust.
Yet Jesus went to hell and saved the lost. That's the sweetness hidden in the soft heart of woman. Be of good cheer...I bring you good tidings.
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The Good News is not BOUND up in heaven. It is not in choosing to see heaven or hell...
Then [Jesus] told this story to some who boasted of their virtue and scorned everyone else: "Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a proud, self-righteous Pharisee, and the other a cheating tax collector. The proud Pharisee 'prayed' this prayer: 'Thank God, I am not a sinner like everyone else, especially like that tax collector over there! For I never cheat, I don't commit adultery, I go without food twice a week, and I give to God a tenth of everything I earn.' "But the corrupt tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed, but beat upon his chest in sorrow, exclaiming, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner.' I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home forgiven! For the proud shall be humbled, but the humble shall be honored." (TLB, Luke 18:9-14)
Jesus told us to eliminate the sins in our own lives rather than passing judgment or looking down on others. For if we judge other people harshly, we will, in turn, be judged harshly by God: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the same measure you use, it will be measured to you.
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yes indeed...and I pray I judge righteously that in this world you shall have trouble. And rejoicing in the strength of man double trouble. But what do I know, only experience counts and the strength of man I have left behind in my youth.
But I set this day before us, death or life. That we may choose life.And as you said: don't point the finger lest 4 fingers point back at you. For there shall be no reprieve until the blind see. I pray God: make me see.
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The Goodnews is that ALL things are made new in Him.
For God soooooo loved the world, He redeemed it. That's the Goodnews I KNOW by experience.
Jesus went about healing the blind with "earthly" substance. Life is in the Blood of which we WILL and Have partaken of.
Life is in the blood......may you see it...
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yes...good news indeed. I wonder if those cheeky pharisees saw themselves as cheeky? The world is full of pharisees.....we all know from the Bible.
Jesus called the pharisees hypocrites....saying one thing in public and doing another in secret.....yet pontificating (pontificus)...........pointing fingers. One explanation of hypocrite in the English Penguin Dictionary is: acting on the stage. A discussion board could be seen as a stage.
Just be careful Love....don't get too close near them bones.........lol
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Life ofthe flesh is in the blood.
Life of the spirit is in the spirit. And as I said before GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX.
It's just a money grab.
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Alan, do you believe this: "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall not have life within you"?
It is written there are different kinds of flesh. That is why we have the Spirit of discernment.
Why would God take our hearts of stone and turn them into hearts of flesh if they were incapable of recieving the life of Spirit?
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Yes Mayhart I really, really do believe this.
Ask your self what is the blood we are to drink? Literal blood, No! But what that blood represents the Spirit life, the life of the spirit. Drink of His spirit life
Jesus said through Paul in Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Jesus takes a cold, hard heart and makes a soft, pliable heart of flesh by the renewed mind of the spirit shedding the love of God abroad in us.
1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
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I do not believe it is symbolic either...It is how one "sees"....remember......touch my hands....is this a body of spirit?
"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
The form is truly matter and Spirit.....the marriage of heaven and earth......transfigured, transformed, and consumable.
That is how we can commune as ONE.....see?
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I know you know this, what does it mean to you?
1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
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There are different kinds of flesh......the flesh that CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God is the flesh that has not been transfigured or raised up into His body. That is the flesh and blood we are not to consume (light having no fellowship with darkness), and why we are given discernment. We still STAND in the gap, however, as ONE for the foot cannot say it has no need of the hand...etc....
What does it mean to you?
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The world man sees before him is the collective Adam and Eve human mentality of applying good and evil natures to the One Creator of One nature. There is but one way to dissolve this world of division, and that is, for man to stop putting good and evil conditions on that which is given to him wholly, purely, perfectly - unconditionally - the thoughts of God. Each man must bear his own cross of stopping the madness of dividing (imagining) the One Unconditional Mind of God into two minds of conditioned interpretations.
This is the ending of time that is spoken of in all mystical teachings. The end of time has nothing to do with a future apocalyptic event belonging to the imaginings of the collective human mind, rather, the end of time has everything to do with the individual Son of man who repents his individual God-dividing ways, and upon repenting his individual God-dividing ways, becomes obedient to "be STILL (stop interpreting the separation of God) and know that I am God."
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2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house [our flesh bodies] of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. After I came into the spirit from being a baptist Father said to me that we, his people, were a city and a nation. I hesitate to say this because of what some might think or say, but two different times at different occasions Father said about me to those where I was and I quote “This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.” others heard it, as well as I, and they told me what they heard. When this was told, by the ones that heard it, to the others that did not hear it as well as the preacher, those that were told what was said shun me. This is the honor that only comes from God.
This is the honor that I seek.
The only flesh body that I’m concern with is the one from heaven, spirit the one Father transform me into when I was born from above and now becoming into day by day as this earthly house is being dissolve as the old house, man perishes day by day. Ps 68:19-20 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. 20 He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto God the Lord belong the issues from death. Ps 103:2-5 Bless the LORD, O my soul [mind. will, emotions], and forget not all his benefits: 3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; 4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; 5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's. Ps 116:12-13 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me? 13 I will take the cup of salvation [wholeness], and call upon the name [nature] of the LORD. The end of time has nothing to do with a future apocalyptic event belonging to the imaginings of the collective human mind, So very true Moveingalways. rather, the end of time has everything to do with the individual Son of man who repents his individual God-dividing ways, and upon repenting his individual God-dividing ways, becomes obedient to "be STILL (stop interpreting the separation of God) and know that I am God." Again so very true, And I know that I have come to the end of the world.
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Spirit is the origin of every thought, including the thought (belief in) "matter." This is why spirit and matter cannot be blended or merged or joined; they are one now in belief in being divided.
Full realization of the one spirit nature of you is the spirit flesh body of you. A spirit thoughtbody that is not of the earth, of thoughts of being divided of substance and essence, rather, the spirit flesh thoughtbody is the I Am realization of being of the one substance and essence of "let there be, and there was."
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Hello Moving,
Yes, I realize you speak your Truth...
I do not ascribe to the belief that matter and spirit can not be blended or joined.
The proof of this is in the resurrection of the "body."
Your understanding of matter, from my understanding, limits the words "God said, let their be light, and there was light."
While Spirit is the origin of every thought, even belief in matter, Spirit gave birth to a Son and this Son is called the Light of the World, the Truth, the Way, and the Life. That Light is not mere energy.
The Light that we refer to as existing from the sun, the moon or the stars, that is "energy."
The Light Body can be divided and retain all the properties of its origin....proven through Hollographic images, if one needs proof. That is How the Fullness of God could dwell in a flesh Body when the Fullness of Times came. The only flesh that could sustain that fullness of light/life/Truth is a body that contained no darkness.... a body prepared for him. Darkness was/is a result of the "collective consciousness of which all humanity was/is "subject to."
The NEW day allows one access to that realm of consciousness that has been increasing in Light due to the Fullness of Light in the One Body.
The fullness of that Body of Light is visable depending on the purity of ones own heart/flesh body: to the pure of heart, all things are pure....
Consider that the perspective of "light" from the source.: "
If it is the underlying realm of light that is the fundamental reality propping up our physical universe, let us ask ourselves how the universe of space and time would appear from the perspective of a beam of light. The laws of relativity are clear on this point. If you could ride a beam of light as an observer, all of space would shrink to a point, and all of time would collapse to an instant. In the reference frame of light, there is no space and time. If we look up at the Andromeda galaxy in the night sky, we see light that from our point of view took 2 million years to traverse that vast distance of space. But to a beam of light radiating from some star in the Andromeda galaxy, the transmission from its point of origin to our eye was instantaneous"
Now, I realize that your paradigm of Truth has to discard the human intellect of thinking and reasoning. My own path allows me the freedom to see all things expedient for Spirit's purposes, for all things have been given to the Son, and in the Son, all things are also ours, as is our inheritance.
My own Spiritual path has allowed me to see the effects of prayer outside of time and space. Prayer then is more than "awareness," it in fact has an enertia behind it that affects the interconnectiveness of all humanity.
To whom much is given, much is required.
If you prefer to hear it in metaphysical terms, it would sound something like this: " there exists a background sea of quantum light filling the universe, and that light generates a force that opposes acceleration when you push on any material object"
That force is the Son of God, Jesus Christ (from my understanding) who is no respector of persons, and so the effectual prayers of unceasing are found in a Body that stands to benefit in its human interconnectiveness.
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While Spirit is the origin of every thought, even belief in matter, Spirit gave birth to a Son and this Son is called the Light of the World, the Truth, the Way, and the Life. That Light is not mere energy.
Mayheart, if you realize that spirit is the origin of every thought, even belief in matter, then is not this Son of being born of matter of which you speak not also a belief of the Thinker, Spirit? And being but a belief, is not every word that this Son of belief of being born of matter speaks, also not a belief? You "call" this Son the Light of the World. etc. I ask of you to identify for me, the "you" who is doing the "calling" of the Son as being this or being that?
Please give me evidence that you are created of two substances, this and that, when you are not calling (naming) yourself the two substances called "this and that."
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Pam - sometimes you are exasperating to read...!
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A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a baby has been born into the world (of matter!)
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Pam, it never was about 2 substances.......it is one in the whole still making one. And they are not twins nor opposing.....it's 2 sides of the one coin...always working together....like "real" and shadow......God and image........there is nothing new under the sun.
If we look at it from awareness.......the reality is the awareness, the all and in all...yet out of this all spring "good" thoughts and "evil" thoughts...and as we learn to not judge i.e not eating from the tree of good and evil.......this also shall pass and shall not affect that which is the whole, ME.
And thus we eat from the tree of life...me and the Father are one....yes One....yet me AND the father
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21And the LORD God (of sense awareness) caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
It is the LORD God of sense awareness who cannot hear the voice of the one substance that never changes, has never changed, and will never change. It is the LORD God of sense awareness who formed man from the dust of the ground, dust that covers his eye of Spirit and causes him to be ignorant of the Source of the his sense awareness - Pure Awareness of the All in All. The formed dust man Adam sleeps still in those who believe that their sense awareness is caused by their human mind of names, calling the awareness of the Christ my bones, my flesh. This is to take thought in ignorance, for the sleeping man Adam does not realize, for he cannot touch this realization, he cannot see this realization, he cannot hear this realization, he cannot taste or smell this realization, that he has nothing to do with his awareness of what he has called "my matter." When the sleeping Adam wipes the sense dust from his eyes, the spirit of the Christ is awakened. I and the Father are One (of spirit [only] substance).
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Mayheart....Now, I realize that your paradigm of Truth has to discard the human intellect of thinking and reasoning. My own path allows me the freedom to see all things expedient for Spirit's purposes, for all things have been given to the Son, and in the Son, all things are also ours, as is our inheritance.
Ah, so very well expressed,my friend!!!!
Love,Ron
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Excellent, Mayheart and full of grace and truth.
Barbara
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A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a baby has been born into the world (of matter!)
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Pam: It is the LORD God of sense awareness who cannot hear the voice of the one substance that never changes, has never changed, and will never change. It is the LORD God of sense awareness who formed man from the dust of the ground, dust that covers his eye of Spirit and causes him to be ignorant of the Source of the his sense awareness - Pure Awareness of the All in All.
Justasaint: there, you've got it...there's God and the Lord God.....did not the Lord God come out of God?
And God created man in His image.....image is not real.......did not the image come out of God?
Illusion and reality...2 sides of the one coin.......that is the duality........
and yet there is only one.
Just as Paul said: it is no longer I that live, but Christ...yet I......
Jesus came to manifest God...and so in Him we have fully God and fully man....a mystery perhaps...well what is wrong with a mystery?
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Mayheart....thanku thanku thanku....i have been dancing around for weeks trying to put my finger on what i couldnt comprehend, and lo and behold, i read what you have written this day, and it all fell into place.....in a few short sentences Spirit showed me truth....and all i can say is ahhhhhhhhhhhh....thank you the heart of may for showing me this.....God is good!!!
Love and Light,
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Thank you all for voicing your blessings. I am not always available to reply durig the week to the measure I would like to.
This scripture came to my rememberance while contemplating certain things said in this thread:
""Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it."
Will not be able to write more till the weekend.
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Quote: Quote: Pam: It is the LORD God of sense awareness who cannot hear the voice of the one substance that never changes, has never changed, and will never change. It is the LORD God of sense awareness who formed man from the dust of the ground, dust that covers his eye of Spirit and causes him to be ignorant of the Source of the his sense awareness - Pure Awareness of the All in All.
Justasaint: there, you've got it...there's God and the Lord God.....did not the Lord God come out of God?
And God created man in His image.....image is not real.......did not the image come out of God?
Illusion and reality...2 sides of the one coin.......that is the duality........
and yet there is only one.
Hi justasaint 
The image of man the Spirit of God created in his substance and essence of omniscience was finished before the Spirit of the Lord God began forming his duplicate world of belief in a God-man-of-becoming. "Thus the heavens (substance) and the earth (essence) were finished, and all the host of them." So, what you say about the Lord God of belief-in-becoming coming out of the God of permanent omniscience, is true.
Which then nullifies your statement that the Spirit of the Lord God of belief coming out of the Spirit of God is a two-sided coin of duality. How can that which flows forth from Itself also be on the reverse or other side of itself? Which is the true vision of Spirit? As a flowing out and a flowing in of Self Thought, or as a peeking-around-to-think-about-the-front-and-back of myself-yourself?
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""Which then nullifies your statement""
i know i am kinda butting in here, but for the sake of all who do not perceive truth as you do Pam, i think that when you make statements like the above it deters people from posting here....if one is always faced with their truths being nullified, then they will not share here....
i really cannot understand how you can nullify anyone's perception of truth but your own....
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Theres a bill thats about to be signed by Obama on Dec.7 in Copenhagen that will put things in motion for his cap and trade emissions tax. If this happens its trouble for the Whole Globe but initially it will kill industry in the U.S. first not to mention every ones personal freedom which is dwindling by the day.. Go to globalclimatescam.com to check it out... Its interesting that that date was chosen is it not??
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there is such a thing as mystery...and then there are myths and parables and allegories. No one can define God. And so, even though I accept there are many holy books and many holy men of different and opposite persuasions, I use the Bible as my reference and that of course only in my understanding.I would suggest that is what Moses did also if indeed he wrote the first five books.
Thus have I accepted that illusion is in fact reality. Yes I know, it sounds silly to most and so did Gallileo's theory of a non flat earth.But if God created an image then he created an illusion, something that is not considered real. Yet the shadow will only disappear as the sun/son disappears. Then we are God, under the noonday sun.
Coming back to Moses, he had it all wrong. He instituted the law. If Jesus had it right, then Moses had it wrong....and yet......the wrong had to be there so that all things could be fulfilled. That is my duality. We aim to find peace in our "salvation", yet we enter the Kingdom through suffering. Don't we know it Love?
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You say, "Suffering" , Justasaint? Ohhhhhhh, YESSSSSS!!! Being squeezed by life's untoward circumstances til you scream (and declare, "ENOUGH!") causes you (all of us) to deeply, intensely, soul-FULLY APPRECIATE Joy when It FINALLY ARRIVES.
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hmmmmm...interesting Linda. I have been squeezed and it wasn't all that bad. So it is not in the squeezing...the outside forces.........it is how we take the squeeze and everything else God puts in our path for that matter.
Everything is of God....and if we go along with it, the way of the Lamb, we have joy. If we resist, we have pain. We have the pain funnily enough, because we give power to that which is not real. And maybe that is what Moving Always is talking about.
As for my present thinking....all there is is awareness.If I were the centre of the universe but was not aware, there would be nothing. Let's say there is a squeeze causing pain....like my son is not talking to me. It's a thought, I can spin a story around it...he's a bastard and therefore he's not talking to me. Why is he like this...maybe I did make him like that...but this...or but that......it goes on and on...no end to it..and certainly no solution.....and all the time I have made the idea that he is this or I am that, my own.
Now what if I saw the thought but separated myself from the thought.....not making that thought and the subsequent story my own? That thought would pop up in my awareness...and sink back into that same awareness which is the all and in all........and my emotions would be intact. Please let me know what you see...thanks Linda.
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I know what you are sharing justasaint and understand it having been through and still going through the same observation. Only I've come to see that though I experience pain, I do not suffer. It is the suffering that Jesus' endured and rose above, the pain he experienced as it was and he just went 'with it' and 'felt it' allowing it to take him where it will. I've come to realize that in this beautiful body of mine, I will feel joy, I will feel pain, I will feel sadness, I will feel excitement, I will feel all of these wonderful things that LOVE is, and I am thankful for that. For me, most of my life I tried to avoid pain, sadness, etc. because they were always thought to be 'negative' emotions and therefore 'bad'. Being conditioned to think this way through 'outside forces' has turned us all into liars, thieves, et all. Lying about how we're feeling, hiding under this bushel or behind that bush, coveting and stealing whatever another was experiencing if we found ourselves suffering and lacking, even another's joy would become a thing to be desired/coveted when in a state like this.
Like you, I've been able to separate myself from my story around these emotions; not every single time, but now the groundwork has been laid, and the map or path laid out before me. I no longer seek for 'joy' or 'painless' living, but rather rest in the peace that passeth all understanding and out of that peace I am able to observe all that flows out from it. Yes, even pain and sadness will flow from that peace, but there is no suffering. Jesus Christ fulfilled his promise to me, that if I but follow him (his way) I would no longer suffer. I am a living witness and testimony to the accuracy of the things he spoke.
We are a mystery, a wonderful beautiful mystery and I've come to learn that I spent a whole lifetime trying to figure out the mystery, when all along I am 'that'. It was continual seeking for something I already had within me that prevented me from be-ing the Life that I am in this realm. What shall we be in another realm or what body shall we have, well as Paul says .. who knows. I am here now and here is where I want to be, until such a time as it is not, and I am filled with gratitude that I am a mystery indeed. 
Your words resonate with me justasaint, I know of that which you speak
Kerry
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Beautiful re - minders for me this morning....just when i need them the most....your hearts all sang to me, and i will take that song and re - member its melody every time today
that i am tempted to sing off key.....
thank you heart to heart's love chorus,
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Thanks Dougmac it is nice to get a reply that is on target. A rare thing these days, that is another very good site you mention. America is the very foundation of religious freedom, and if we do not do something soon sites like even this will no longer be permitted.It is absolutely crucial to all of us that United States stays free, it is today the only nation on earth that is true Israel of God.....but it is like Israel in the days of Titus under siege.The enemy within is greater than that without.So is the spiritual condition of man.......... the real enemy is within, contaminating what a man think's in his heart is like contaminating the money supply of a nation.
Most of the Jews in Palestine[excluding the ancient settlers, who have always been there and in neighbouring states] are actually Khazar's and have no more claim to being descendants of Abraham than Australian Aborigines.........as the Apostle John foresaw: "they say they are Jews and are not"...especially the Rothschild's along with the Rockefeller's who changed their original surname along with many other Khazar's who now control the U.S Fed...whose goal is to enslave the great Christian Country America by printing endless greenbacks and dismantling domestic production industry and expanding the defense sector to force other countries to buy the Feds greenbacks for goods produced by virtual slave labor. Was that the founding father's agenda? To print money to buy goods from the rest of the world, so the American people could make more weapons instead of cars and goods, so a group of rich Bankers can subjugate the world?
Did not the rest of the world start waking up last year and seeing how the canker worm has devoured their capital through printing of money for junk bonds? And they are still running those presses hot!
"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you.
Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth eaten.
Your gold and your silver have rusted, and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days you have stored up treasure!
Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and which has been withheld by you, cries out against you, and the outcry of those who did the harvesting has reached the ears of the Lord of the Sabbath.
You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in the day of slaughter."
Human freedom is the only thing being threatened, and soon we will all be in chains, all for our good of course so we do not hurt ourselves.
If good men do nothing evil will prevail.
Man in his arrogance thinks he can save this planet when he cannot even save himself from war, pestilence, disease, cruelty,and lack of human rights. I know Australia under it's plan for carbon reduction will be handing over $6 billion to China...........to that Dictatorship with little human rights, not to mention all the other little Dictators of Africa who will be given billions. It also will mean more Muslim refugees displaced coming to our land, to dilute the Christian vote.
How about the end of all war first. before even thinking of global warming...............it is not the Government that makes all the weapons of war but big business.Without these industries who could go to war? Who are these evil people that are behind these industries....have we forgotten Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld?
Global Warming means more power for multinationals who are the real rulers and their lobbyists, they cause the problem and expect the little man to recoup.Yes our global leaders have the form of truth but not the substance, they have not the keys to the kingdom, they go about as angels of goodness yet crucified the Lord of Goodness,they keep Him on the Cross still, lest He testify against them. They have the words of truth, and preserve these truths like preserves of jam, tasty and to be admired............yet they shed the blood and sweat of the worker who has to pay pay more and more, while they grow fat with unfillable hunger for more loot from carbon trading.
It is pointless exposing only the folly of mans' false dogmas but also his inhumanity his avoidance to stop war, and global warming is another distraction while our armories are full of nuclear bombs.
If it is not Nazism, or communism, it is greenhouse gases to distract us from stopping all war, including over population of third world countries mainly caused by Rome and Islam...the Beast and the false prophet.
Consciousness of the utter confusion of self is the beginning of the way.
Consciousness of the utter falsehood of self, is the gateway to truth,
Consciousness of the utter lifelessness of self is the beginning of eternal life.
The falsehood of self is through bondage to form.
The confusion of self is through bondage to form.
The lifelessness of self is through bondage to form.
Self then is form, form is all self can know and does not all form die?
And we worry about global warming? The three million in American jails? Yet who worries about the soul of man? What nations come together to resolve the bankruptcy of man's soul? Would there be a soul tax, to save others?
For all further interest in this topic along with a severe warning on swine flu vacination go to.........http://godsavesall.yuku.com/topic/4119/master/1/?page=2
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ah Kerry, you said it so beautifully and so simple and truthfully because you did not just follow some doctrine or threw a heep of scriptures at me, no it was your own experience and that is all that counts.
It is 4am here, I have been awake for a couple of hours and listened to my I-pod. Actually , I do not mind if I cannot sleep because it allows me to listen in complete silence and rest to all those beautiful words somebody was speaking. It is amazing how often we have to hear the same thing over and over again in order for them to resonate which this that our inner man already knows. For we know all things and the anointing abides. The subject I was listening to was: everything is primordinarily perfect exactly as it is.
Some people are scared of spiders. As soon as my wife sees one she not just kills it with her feet, she stomps on it with the power that would kill an elephant. But the spider is perfect as it is. It is her mind, even in it's own perfection, which was conditioned to the illusion that spiders must die. And the spider is perfectly dead and squashed, lol.
For God is all and in all. It made me happy this morning even though my depressive state before that also was perfect. Resting in the awareness as the awareness trusting the awareness or God, it will give one the wisdom to automatically and instinctively do that which is required to be a manifestation of God through this vessel, always perfect.Like a baby, not worrying where my next meal will come from.
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Good morning Gerry, I share in your experience and understanding and have come to know the same. That all is perfect as it is. Words cannot express what it is to be at the place where surrendering to the all in all is all there is. lol .. did that make sense? I sit in solitude and listen to different things too ... it sounds like what you were listening to this morning would resonate with me also. And, like you sometimes I just love to hear things over and over and let them 'be' in me as they will be. It's wonderful to 'watch' my thoughts as they arise in response to this or that sound, this or that collection of words (is what you listened too downloadable?) ... I have come to love my playful little e.g.o. who is always trying to play hide and seek in this wonderful Place of Peace called Awareness. Just when all is calm, out of the silence is this playful little voice that says ... 'aha ... bet I can spook ya'. It is in these antics that I find the most wonderful Love of all .. the all embracing unconditional love of a Father for his Son in the response 'ok ... try Me, betcha can't'. There may be a little aprehension when this is read for the first time by somone who hasn't experienced this 'yet', but I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about .. I can feel that you do.
Kerry
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Hi,Gerry..... downunder upover let duality be...Kerry, welcome back,sis...love,Ron
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beautiful words Gerry....what's on your iPod?
I got an Aussie I listen to at odd hours of the morning....
that's so funny Kerry....
I was meditating silently once and I thought
I had lost all sense of my body...
like the body didn't matter at all....
and then all of a sudden, out of the
blue my heart threw a
PVC (Premature Ventricular Contraction)
and BAMMM!!!
I had to laugh when later I read
Moving Always' post....
Can I squeeze YOUR Heart?
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http://www.greatfreedom.org/
Is the Aussie Des Walter?
Hi Ron....Could we call Australia and Canada a duality? Two halves making one whole? You know of course that duality are not opposites....but complementary...like the salmon and the can....lol.....
Kerry......have done that also.....I was watching my thoughts pass before me like ducks at a fancy fair....made them into sitting ducks...so they could not attack me......of course I could have shot them....(wink...wink...borrowed this from someone else)
And Shonda.....walking back to bed from the bathroom one night...I was out of my body for a minute....a wonderful peaceful experience that was. I later heard how someone was out of her body for a whole day....saw herself cook breakfast and all.
Thank you all for making me feel welcome. I normally post on Spirit touching Spirit but I was irresistebly drawn here
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Gerry: hehe .. you know, I got so far as pulling the trigger on those little ducks all lined up and much to my surprise I discovered those little buggers had nothing other than eternal life! lol. Kerry (ego), then went and sulked for awhile because she felt so utterly alone ... why do even the ducks have eternal life and I do not? "Ahh," but the Stillness, the Peace, the Awareness that is I AM said, "but you do", without you those little ducks would cease to be, without those little ducks you would cease to be. Now go and play little one." It was then that I realized that the Awareness that I AM is a wonderful, beautiful playground ... complete with lolly pops and skinned knees, best friends and bullies, students and teachers. I AM all of that and yet I AM none of it. Totally blows the mind, but the Heart knows it right well! Thanks for the link Gerry, I read the greatfreedom teachings a while ago, but had just let them 'be' in me at the time and all but had forgotten I read it .. I see they've manifested in me ... wonderfully interesting indeed . Will visit again.
Ron: thank you and welcome back to you too my beloved loonie toon!
Shonda: i'm going to look for that post of moving always and read it now.
Love ALL,
Kerry
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I just know we all are in fine festival fettle..... even when we let the duality camel squeeze us through the SINGULARITY of THE CHRIST ONEderFULL needle-eye..... we even get to hold hands and hearts together....if we so choose... even as we atrophy we soar.... as we pray for GRACE even the ache releases sweet praise and thanksgiving..... arms weighted by illusions are progressively lightened of their former burdens and like those Japanese daruma dolls we buoyantly right ourselves after every buffetting blow.... bruised but not broken into separating shards that are prevented from loving mercy...doing justly....walking humbly with ABBA and each other...this BLOOD-purchase of redeemed creation..... laughing all the way into the BANK of I AM...knowing what gets busted gets put back together...made irrevocably NEW....and immeasureable GRACE advents us into awareness that our gift of faith, hope and love catapults us into ever-exponentializing excellence.....
ah, i wax poetic ....we are ABBA's poems.....love,Ron
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Quote: When the Son of Man obeys the guidance from the Spirit of Wisdom to "Be still and know that I am God," he enters that silent, still place within himself wherein no matter (effects) can enter. His senses are silenced and he comes to realize that life does not end when the interpretation of life ends. Only here, in the deep of himself, does he come face to face with His Invisible Face, with the Invisible Cause of Himself. This is why it is said that only the pure of heart shall see God, for it is the feeling heart of the Son of Man that, in error, pursues the effects, believing them to be the cause. This is why The Spirit of Wisdom, of Love asks the Son of Man again and again, if he is not afraid to listen:"Can I squeeze your heart?
ps Chatz
I watch Des on YouTube
but Tony denHartog
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and thank you for the link!
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Thank you Shonda
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