BarbMtnWolf
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This morning something came up that re~minded me of some inspiration Father was giving me, both last night and also this past summer, about the New Jerusalem. I just couldn't re~member! I couldn't even re~member Zion, I knew it was a short word that is associated with New Jerursalem, but I could not for the life of me *think* what I was supposed to recall. So I googled, that usually helps me. And so it did!
This is what I found....and I have read a book called The Immortal by author J. J. Dewey, which is all about the apostle John...who Jesus asked to tarry until he returns....and I suspect John is amidst us here....but he will never say it....hehe
http://www.freeread.com/archives/new_jerusalem_quotes.php
So alright it was Zion I was having on the tip of my tongue! It's the high point of the city of Jerusalem, it's the mountain. In spiritual parlance...it's the throne of the Son of God....the highest you can get to God....in merging matter with spirit...in receiving new life...making the twain into one...as it was "in the beginning"...well three actually but that's another discourse entirely.
So Zion, yes, that's it! The mountaintop...of the new city which "descends" (spirit into flesh, first the natural, then the spiritual...progression!) from heaven.....and those city streets aren't paved with gold....they are lit without any aid from heavenly bodies of light...lit from WITHIN!!! That's where God's Kingdom is, of course, within us! So New Jerusalem needs no outer source of Light like a Sun, Moon or Planets (bodies celestial reflecting light mundane)...it's all within....and glowing brightly too!!!! Jesus came to set "the world" (the worldly/earthen) afire!!!!!!!!!! Spark us up, baby!!!! Father of Spirit...Mother of Nature....he came into the world like any other child....but he re~membered...His Source of Light...within! He said of his own 'self' he could do nothing, it's God in all, doing it all! That's the Light we can *count on*.
I skip around a little...sometimes a lot...in my humanity that just happens as it's *hit or miss* and never straight on/steady on course. I hit shoals from time to time, when I'm not paying attention to the LightHouse within, ever guiding, but am I always heeding? Hah! I wish!
Jerusalem our Mother Above is always free! Nobody has to pay a price to get in this glorious temple...all you have to do is be *willing* to LOVE!!! Align with Love & Light (God, within us, Spirit, within us) and voila, the marriage is complete, and you're on the throne....shared with us by none other than Jesus Christ....the FirstBorn Son...of Many! God doesn't want blood sacrifices to purify you....all God really wants....is our love (freely given...not forced!!!)...love God and love one another. Good Heavens, stop arguing with your brother and trying to defend yourself, give 'em what they want, and give 'em your inner garments too if they try to take your outer. What good are material possessions anyway, you can't take them with you. It does no good if you want to inherit the Kingdom and you have a "cause" against your brother, or he against you, go settle up! Leave your axes by the door. hehe Turn your swords into ploughshares, turn over that old earth, make way for the new seeds coming up!!!!!!
By the way there are flocks not of these Christian folds that Christ (remember what His name means? ANOINTED ...anointed with God's Holy Spirit love...filled to overflowing!!!) that he also tends to. So to those who object to other paths to God, or God's salvation being bestowed on some "other type" other than your accepted religion/beliefs, well you're going to have to make peace with them, too, because that's the Prince of Peace you're going to be sharing a throne with, and he rejects NO ONE. (because he cannot reject Himself, His Body!!!!)
It was this little bit that made me sit up and take notice, because Father~Christ showed me this last night....all the inhabitants of *New Jerusalem*....will glow in the dark with their inner Light (of God, of Christ, the Light in EVERY MAN!!!)....since this *city* needs no outer celestial body source of light....because all the LIGHT...is within!!!!!!
Code: When the New Jerusalem is perfected in an atom the light of God is then released and the element will then have a light of its own, and glow in the dark.
Remember the children's song from Sunday School days? Oh this little light o' mine, I'm gonna let it shine!!!!!
Shine on little lights! Our Father~Mother Goose God would never choose to abandon or reject their baby gosling godlings!!!!!! But the little godlings in their immaturity can and often do struggle with one another in believing there's not enough love/milk/meat to go around....God has plenty of breasts for all to suck on and receive nourishment.
OH another interesting *connection* with this site, with mountains and hills (Zion the mount on which Jerusalem resides/presides!) which I found while looking for a scripture about God and breasts...
In Gen 49:22ff. where dying Jacob blesses Joseph using a string of divine names and epithets:
... by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob, by the name of the Shepherd,
the Rock of Israel, 25 by the God of your father, who will help you, by the Almighty? (shadday) who will bless you
with blessings of heaven above,
blessings of the deep that lies beneath,
blessings of the breasts and of the womb.
26 The blessings of your father
are stronger than the blessings of the eternal mountains,
the bounties? of the everlasting hills;
may they be on the head of Joseph,
on the brow of him who was set apart from his brothers.
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BarbMtnWolf
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I just toss things out there that come to me, or things that I find, without it making full sense to me! So if somebody can find this info/in-sight useful somehow I'm glad. Usually I need help to piece everything together and be able to comprehend...I just get glimpses/little pieces...we all have a *part* to play!
Sometimes I get these little clues, tied in with scripture, I'm just drawn to explore it! Often it can take me years to understand why something was revealed....and just what is the relevance of the revelance?!!!
All helpful in-sights are gladly appreciated, in other words! hehe
Love,
Barb
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Libertymin
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quote: which is all about the apostle John...who Jesus asked to tarry until he returns....and I suspect John is amidst us here....but he will never say it....hehe
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BMW, Jesus return came whan He came in spirit at Pentecost and entered the people. I don't believe the flesh and blood John, the original Apostle flesh and blood John is here today, amidst us as never died. Yes John's spirit is with us today.
Just something to think about.
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BarbMtnWolf
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Alan I have seen when Jesus's soul *the first Life-Giving Spirit*....first imploded....and then exploded...into filling all the Universe....as a seed in everybody!!!!!! It was not at Pentecost...it was at his resurrection! It's a beautiful thing, having a vision like that. That is truth to me Alan, not reading it, not hearing it from somebody else...but having the Lord God reveal something directly into your mind's eye....of a Glorious Event....it's a precious blessing I cherish. It's hard to share it in words, but I want you to know that that moment when Jesus was brought back to life....from a dead corpse the Son of Man laying in a tomb...to become the risen Son of God.....who ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father.....inviting us to join him and sit with him....well that resurrection......is the very moment when the spirit of Jesus....as Christ Jesus....went into all as their very potential....He planted Himself in the Earth...into all the Universe actually...for us.....to reconcile us with the Father forevermore.....for we are created by Him, for Him, and through Him. And we live, move and have our being...in Him! Jesus died and was resurrected....so we could come alive WITH HIM!!! If I be lifted up...I uplift ALL MEN! He did it...hoorayyyy!!!!!!!!!!
So for me I'll never be able to agree with you about the Pentecost, sorry Alan. But that was a special event too, where many more were able to see and know that something strange and wonderful, only possible with God, was happening...communication with the Divine...in a way ALL could hear....what a message...more good news!!!!!!
Alan, I might be wrong about John, it's just a guess, nobody *told* me that, it's just if you had read the book....that's the concept of this book by J. J. Dewey...is that John is immortal and awaiting Jesus's second coming....and helping to spread the teachings in the meantime. He must be pretty good at spreading good news by now, wouldn't you think?
Now as far as your point on Jesus not coming back, other than in Spirit (which he never left us that way, why would he need to come back if it was just that way?)....I have to differ with you on that, because I have heard what he's told me....and seen what Father has shown me. I know you have your beliefs in the Pentecost return theory thing....but I have heard things right from him and Father....and I'm not about to argue with either of them or try to convince you of anything...Father is plenty capable of all instruction, well I know! LOL
All I want to do is share....and also hear from other perspectives...not out to tell anybody they are wrong or I would like them to understand the same as I do.
We get different *material* to work with! I just desire to share what I am given to know and understand and what I question and explore, too. I don't mind others having a different perspective at all.
Love,
Barb
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Libertymin
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BMW, I was just telling you my belief about John remaining untill Jesus' return. What you believe is ok with me, just sharing.
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windrider
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good morning folks....i wrote of the following on another board this morning.....here it is preaching to the choir.....but thought bmw that it went along whit what you wrote....
both Timothy (1:4) and Titus (3:9) speak of the foolishness of the question about WHO when solely based upon GENEALOGIES.....
the answer of WHO finds its TRUTH in the BEGATS versus BORN .......
The proof is that Jesus Christ was begat (yalad) of proven pedigree by lineage and was just like all that came before him in that lineage.......BEGAT ....
this word YALAD is often used as BORN.....when it also should have been begat causing much confusion/foolishness.......
to be BORN as in to be the FIRSTBORN and FIRSTBORN of many.......is to be EZRACH ....to spring up....a spontaneous growth....
from the base meaning of ZARACH.....to irradiate (or shoot forth beams)...to rise (as the sun)....
Jesus was begat as we all are begat......and Christ was born the FIRSTBORN as we all must be born.....
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Rhonda
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"Jesus was begat as we all are begat......and Christ was born the FIRSTBORN as we all must be born..... "
I like that!!!
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BarbMtnWolf
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It's okay Alan, I just wanted to explain more why I feel so strongly and am passionate about what I was expressing.
I've been doing some more thinking on this, and I believe I need to look more closely at what DID happen at the Pentecost, too. I know you are blessed with being able to *minister* for Him, dear Alan. That Voice was for Real!
Hey wind rider, that is really great to hear about the word meanings of begat and born, and it's beautiful to tie in with my *vision* of the Big Bang, too! I have the same understanding, too, that Jesus was born as a human being, and we have the same exact *potential* he had, he just realized it fully, more than any human had ever done!
And I agree with you wr the FirstBorn Son (Sun! Star!) of Many Off-Springs or Off-Shoots....was born and not begotten....in other words conceived in spirit and not in flesh, yet comes IN all flesh (eventually!)....is the Christ, Son of God....who is in US...our hope of glory!!!
Hi Rhonda! Thanks so much for that link to *John*...and I believe I stand fully *corrected* now! hehe
Doesn't anybody wanna talk about the New Jerusalem or Zion though? I have some serious questions about all of this!
Love,
Barb
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Rhonda
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Hey Barb,
Can't help but chuckle here. Not corrected darlin'. Wouldn't it be interesting to meet that fella, see if he's for real??
I have nothing to add to the thread hon..Sorry..me 'ed is wrapped around other things...However, I will enjoy what others add...
Blessed Day!
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emmanuelhadi
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Some say that Christ was created, but i say He is formed. I just explain it today to my friend about Christ being formed.
Its just like our children that has not born yet. Do they exist? yes, but in me(my DNA in my body). So likewise, Christ was in the Word though that image has not formed yet."In the begining..."John 1:1
Concerning Jesus, He is 100% Son of man, so likewise he got the Good and Evil in His soul (that is why He can be tempted by the devil 3 times), though he choose not to follow what the soul and body want but after the Christ in Him(Christ consciuosness).
Sory, if i am wrong, just learning my beloves.... Hehhehee..
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BarbMtnWolf
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Rhonda I appreciated the link to John's site very much! I meant *corrected* because I changed my mind after seeing that! LOL I figured out a couple of things, #1 is the *other John* that I know probably isn't immortal, he seems very human in fact, but he also seems a lot like I imagine an apostle still alive today would be like. But it was looking at the picture of the new/old John, in his eyes, it made me cry! I found myself thinking to him "well you're a sight for sore eyes"...like I knew him! hehe And all the stuff that I read he teaches/believes...I do too! So it all helped me to get past the notion of their being a 2,000 year old disciple/apostle still around today, although I am NOT dismissing that possibility at all, it just helped me resolve some inner things I'd been questioning. So when I am corrected...I just mean I changed my mind....with some help from you my dear! hehe
Now emmanuelhadi, hello there, and I LOVE what you have to share in here, very interesting thoughts on this matter of Christ and Jesus, born/begotten, created/shaped/formed! I believe like you do that he was in every way like us...except for resisting temptation and how fortunate we are he came as a brilliant way-shower!!! Follow in his footsteps....Father's will be done, not ours. Fast Track, not the slow route full of detours and dead ends. Ouch, I didn't see that one coming, there at the end. Ways that seemeth good to a man...
Love,
Barb
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BirdOfParadise
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Rhonda, when you said : and Christ was born the FIRSTBORN as we all must be born..... "
and Windrider, you were mentioning that we were all the firstborn too, that caused this to arise in my mind : CHRIST (The Anointed ...with the Holy Oil of Joy ) was the FIRSTBORN, the ONE AND ONLY SON (SUN) OF GOD, and Jesus came along later, and was "anointed with the oil of gladness (Joy) above His fellows" ( Hebrews 1:9 ). When WE are Anointed, JOY courses Its Glorious Way throughout our ENTIRE BE-ING. That's why the Fruit of the Spirit tastes so delectable, if we but just ONCE taste at least a GOOD PORTION of it (Galatians 5:22-23). Glory, Hallelujah!!
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Rhonda
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Sorry Birdie, that was WR's quote..I just liked what he said.. 
Be Blessed
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windrider
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good morning bmw.....The NJ is spoken of in the 21 chapter of the TEARING OF THE VEIL from top to bottom by John of Jesus Christ......
this temple is approached by the way of all high places that are brought down.......ZION......which is the parched, desert solitary place.......
we must all who make the journey WATCH as the TEMPLE comes down......"know ye not ye are the temple of god".....
the unveiling comes as the dry (School teacher) place is passed away and the NEW EARTH is entered......
the new earth temple (who I AM) stands upon the 12 foundations.......even as the old earth the 12 of dust/desert passes away....... no man should build the new earth upon the 12 of sand......but should build upon the 12 STONES.........
those that would be water walkers must get off the wet sand and walk........
to rise above the dust and sand of the bottom.... where the bottom feeders of the sea are and should not be eaten.....(as well as the carrion eaters of the world above)....where the dust and sand are so easily blown about by the winds....
we we of the new earth having moved thru the 12 of dust and the 12 of sand.......have our sure foundation upon 12 stones........
we walk upon the "stones of fire before the throne of god"
we have the 12 gates gates which are now not veiled but reflective in the many changing colored stone of the "MOTHER OF PEARL"..... it is we who are covered in the transparency of crystal that must not find as our destination the INSIDE of the NJ......
it is thought that the 12 GATES are to be sought by US as the great escape......if we could just find a gate and get inside......
"NO YE NOT THAT YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD"......
the 12 GATES are for our getting OUT..........
the temple requires no LIGHT.......
out side are the whore-mongers, liars, etc.....
ye are the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD"
well just thinking out loud!
wind rider
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